From a technical standpoint, I'm not opposed to including it in a skin, just not in the core. I would like to keep the generated HTML as clean as possible, and allow skins to extend the functionality.
V.Krishn had proposed creating a skin with the jquery-mobile framework (http://jquerymobile.com/
) for similar reasons of usability on mobile devices. He had made some progress, but he required changes to the ACF code to clean up the generated HTML. zelebar and I have also talked about cleaning up the HTML output, but have been too busy to make much progress. Hopefully it would be ready for Alpine Linux 2.6.
From: Jeremy Thomerson <jeremy_at_thomersonfamily.com>
To: Jerry Jacobs <xor.gate.engineering_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Der Tiger <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Natanael Copa <email@example.com>; Alpine ACF <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Alpine Developers <email@example.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [acf] Re: [alpine-devel] Ideas for a new config framework, ACF2
I second the nomination for using Bootstrap for the HTML layout. I'd highly recommend a responsive layout for management from mobile devices as well.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jerry Jacobs <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
As a theme suggestion if people didn't already know the sleek and nice
>organised Twitter Bootstrap which saves the clutter from re-inventing
>the wheel again:
>On 29 November 2012 17:36, Der Tiger <email@example.com> wrote:
>> Hi Natanael,
>> Hi Kaarle,
>> Thanks for the comprehensive project plan! I fully agree, the current
>> ACF is good work, but needs overhauling, due to the problems stated in
>> introducing client-side GUIs would be wise choices.
>> - ACF is a configuration framework. IMHO, the configuration of most
>> Alpine systems is usually done by a single admin or at least a small
>> number of admins, who usually won't do administration work on a single
>> machine, simultaneously. Therefore, there is no significant server
>> performance benefit to be expected from outsourcing HTML page formatting
>> to the client side. ACF is not a "common user" interface.
>> besides shell scripting and LUA to write ACF applications and modules.
>> Not every programmer interested in Alpine Linux is capable or willing to
>> handle an extensive number of programming languages in order to write
>> packages for Alpine Linux. The higher the required number of languages,
>> the fewer the number of people able and willing to contribute.
>> potential security risk. This is not only due to security bugs in
>> various browsers (e.g. Chrome), but also due to the complexity of
>> their local nets and allow it only on secure channels between clients
>> and the internet in order to make some websites work, where there is no
>> alternative method available than a client script (e.g. large volume
>> environment does compromise this security strategy.
>> It is likely, there are devices like PDAs or mobile phones, that won't
>> correctly. Admins do frequently use PDAs to reconfigure their servers
>> and routers or to look up some configuration on these devices. Also
>> there is the issue of DHTML incompatibilities between browsers.
>> - KISS , as you certainly know. The more components are required for
>> the ACF to work, the higher the risk the next update will render the
>> system inoperable. And there are already JSON, LUA, minihttpd and
>> various other components involved.
>> I, admittedly, do have strong reservations regarding both, Java and
>> in 99% of all cases are used by programmers to work around problems,
>> they either don't understand or don't care to solve properly." I've
>> largely experienced this to be true.
>> Personally, I'd prefer a slim, slick and lean HTML-only configuration
>> GUI with pages generated by the host rather than the client. But than
>> again, I'm just an old f@rt, who has no appreciation for "modern",
>> blinking, multi-layered and high colour pop-up interfaces, that are as
>> slow as a snail and close to indistinguishable from any given first
>> person shooter action game.
>> Kind Regards, Tiger
>>  KISS = Keep it simple, stupid!
>> Am 2012-11-29 15:23, schrieb Natanael Copa:
>>> Me and Kaarle have been playing with the idea "what if we started with
>>> ACF from scratch today, how would it be?".
>>> We collected some ideas and have now come up with a fairly detailed
>>> plan for an ACF2.
>>> Some of the goals:
>>> * better security design
>>> * remove unnecessary complexity from modules
>>> * organize the libs better
>>> * fix concurrency - no race conditions
>>> * improve CLI interface
>>> For web frontend we have been talking of using existing frameworks like
>>> Backbone.js and RequireJS. For backend we have been talking about using
>>> things like augeas and using Lua tables to create data models.
>>> Kaarle has written are more detailed plan: http://www.datakunkku.fi/acf/
>>> This will require some massive work but I think we can do it. Hopefully
>>> it will be simpler to write models once the basic framework is in place.
>>> What do you think?
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