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Re: Interface names (WAS: [alpine-devel] eudev pushed to git master (edge))

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:22:11 -0700 (PDT)

I'd also like to see us stick with ethX / wlanX naming convention if possible

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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Isaac Dunham <> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 09:52:12AM +0200, Natanael Copa wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 11:35:50 +0200
>> Carlo Landmeter <> wrote:
>> > I also have the feeling I have to cleanup older (automatic) udev rules,
>> > because my nic name has changed into something weird.
>> > I didnt look into it too much, but i think people should really watch out
>> > with updating edge if they don't want to break anything.
>> For the record. As mentioned on IRC, The NIC name change is to get
>> persistent and predictable net interface names.
> At the latter qualification (predictable) it fails, if you're talking about
> mortals.
>> To get back the old style names you can do:
>> ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules
> I'd used "touch", but ln -s /dev/null is probably better since it
> also discards future modifications.
>> This also means that which NIC becomes eth0 and eth1 etc is
>> unpredictable.
>> We will need a long term solution for this.
>> The problem is that kernel will assign net interface name based on what
>> order they are discovered during coldplug. The way we have worked
>> around this in Alpine is that we sort the modaliases before doing
>> modprobe. That way eth0 will become eth0 every reboot, even after
>> kernel upgrades.
> Using "sort -u" is also desireable because it means that repeats of the
> same hardware only provoke one module load (if you have multiple
> USB buses or ethernet cards from the same manufacturer).
>> Udev developers has other solution for this problem: invent a new
>> naming standard for network interfaces.
>> I think we want keep whatever is current for people who are upgrading.
>> But for new installs, what do we do? How do we name the network
>> interfaces?
>> Do we want udev users and non-udev users have same interfaces names, or
>> do we want let users who don't want udev keep the old, traditional
>> inerface naming and let users who chose udev to get whatever upstream
>> udev does?
>> How do we make sure that interface names does not change after reboot?
>> Do we want be (partially) compatible with other distro's way to name
>> interfaces? (even a bad naming standard might be better than no naming
>> standard)
> I, for one, *do* *NOT* *want* udev-style names.
> The kernel developers worked for years on moving from driver-specific
> names to "ethN"/"wlanN" interface names. "Predictable" interface naming
> a la udev not only reverses those gains, it makes things worse since
> anyone who isn't using udev code can't predict interface names even
> if they know the driver.
> Udev's approach means that if I pull out a network card and replace it,
> I have to reconfigure /etc/network/interfaces or whatever else I use.
> For what it's worth, Debian Jessie (and Devuan Jessie) use
> /lib/udev/write_net_rules to make the kernel name that they detect first
> persistent.
> Thanks,
> Isaac Dunham
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