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Re: [alpine-devel] Code of Cond

From: 7heo <>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 19:15:41 +0200

Hey Ed,

Please look at the new version - you've not been the only one requesting
a change of point 3.

The thread is under a new subject: "Code of Conduct"


On 5/12/2017 4:58 PM, Ed Robinson wrote:
> I am broadly in agreement with this. I especially like that it basically
> assumes that we can all be trusted to do the right thing, and that some
> broad guidelines of don't personally attack people or be super
> unprofessional are clearly enough.
> I would probably just drop point number 3 in the hope that we in the
> community can be trusted to have some common sense over the issue.
> While I agree with the sentiment, it is likely to attract the wrong sort
> of attention from people who would find such words incendiary. If you
> want to keep it, I would suggest dropping the phrase "nor giving weapons
> to so called social justice warriors", I can think of more than one
> person who would take that the wrong way...
> Anyway, thanks for doing this.
> Ed
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:49 PM, 7heo <
> <>> wrote:
> Hey people,
> a few of us have been discussing every now and then the possibility
> of ever needing a CoC.
> Following an exchange of opinions with some of the long-time Alpine
> developers today, I decided to come up with a CoC asap, for two reasons:
> 1. Abuses in the community would have an objective ground to be
> fought on.
> 2. Nobody could then come claiming we do not have a CoC and present
> us with a much more harmful and complex alternative (as it has been
> the case in many open source projects already)
> Here goes my proposal (followed by explanations for each point),
> loosely based on the proposals from the PostgreSQL mailing list:
> Alpine (AKA Alpine-Linux and Alpine-OS) Code of Conduct (CoC)
> =============================================================
> 1. This CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and
> enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place
> for any person who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful,
> productive and collaborative way.
> 2. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is
> free of personal attacks and disparaging remarks of any kind,
> including, but not limited to, racial, ethnic, gender-related,
> religious, political, sexual-orientation related slur.
> 3. This CoC is not about being offended, nor giving weapons to so
> called social justice warriors. One should always assume good
> intentions. As with any diverse community, anyone would otherwise
> eventually get offended at something.
> 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing
> lists, IRC etc.) or other Alpine events shall be construed as a
> violation of this CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the
> Alpine community moderators.
> 5. Any amendment made to this CoC should be approved by all Alpine
> developers (i.e. all people who have commit rights on the repositories).
> 6. The CoC is only about interaction with the Alpine community. Your
> private and public lives outside of the Alpine community are your
> own. Any issue arising outside of the Alpine community and not
> directly technically related with the Alpine maintained software
> shall neither be discussed nor arbitrated within the community.
> ----
> Explanations:
> 1. Alpine is about contribution first, community second. The
> community only exists for the sole purpose of contributing together
> to Alpine. Not the other way around.
> 2. Such an contribution-welcoming environment can only happen when
> people leave their personal different at the door. Toxic behavior
> (like personal attacks) have no place in our community. i.e.: "Your
> work sucks" is fine while "you suck" isn't.
> 3. The FOSS community has recently seen a drastic increase of
> lobbying for exclusion, and censoring attempts, against some
> contributors, from certain groups. Offensive and toxic behavior
> within the community will be dealt with according to point two.
> Offensive and toxic behavior outside of it will be ignored according
> to point six.
> 4. As explained in point one, the main and foremost goal of our
> community is to support contribution. Anything threatening or
> impeding contribution is therefore directly harming the primary goal
> of our mailing lists and IRC channels; and has to be prevented.
> 5. Again, as explained in point one, the goal of the community is
> contribution. This CoC, discussing it, and all the work related to
> it are wasted time in regards to the technical progress. This
> requirement is meant as a discussion deterrent, as it will be
> pointless to discuss any proposal to the CoC as soon as one
> developer disagrees.
> 6. We do not care if you torture kittens or beat up puppies outside
> of our community. As long as you are keeping things separated, we will.
> ----
> I hope I made it well enough that we do not have to spend too much
> time discussing it.
> Theo.
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