X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [74.117.190.25]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9050AF84ED3 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0799F9E1C28; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw (67.63.200.37.customer.cdi.no [37.200.63.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alpine@tanael.org) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C5E79E035A; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:00:06 +0200 From: Natanael Copa To: Chloe Kudryavtsev Cc: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] [RFC] New Governance Model Message-ID: <20190411170006.6de52951@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <144bcb8f-66fe-29ad-f18d-bc90779bdfa7@toastin.space> References: <2a54dd89-9204-644f-6273-e5505d490e05@toastin.space> <20190410143631.7740d688@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190411143119.644e3407@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <144bcb8f-66fe-29ad-f18d-bc90779bdfa7@toastin.space> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:25:21 -0400 Chloe Kudryavtsev wrote: > On 4/11/2019 8:31 AM, Natanael Copa wrote: > > Just because they have been entrusted authority and power does not mean > > they own it. They can not own the community members or people and they > > legally don't own the code contributions unless the authors of those > > explicitly says so (like they do with Gentoo). > > > > So using the word "own" can be and has already been misunderstood, and > > in my opinion does not describe what we are after. And in worst case > > can be abused (3 years in future: "Hey we own the code so we make it > > closed source now. The developer doc clearly states that we own this > > project, which includes the code. You should have thought of that before > > you sent the patches...") > > > > I do agree that they need to been given the needed power, and I > > understand what you mean. I just think we should use different words for > > it to avoid confusion. > > Okay, that makes sense to me. > We should thus reword it as something like so: > "Base is the ultimate authority, and the rest of the project structure > exists [...]" > Would that be acceptable? Would be better at least. > RE: patch ownership... lets keep that discussion separated from this. Preferable at a different time. > > If the community is not ready for enforced rotation. What are the > > options? Or is forced rotation the only way to solve this? > > > >> It has a lot of advantages, and very few disadvantages, so I'd like to > >> keep it. > > > > What are the disadvantages? > > I think I went over it in detail in my other email (which I had > forgotten to CC at you, so please do still take a look). > The summary of the disadvantages of not rotating: No, I meant: what are those very few disadvantages of forced rotation? -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---