X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.bitmessage.ch (mail.bitmessage.ch [146.228.112.252]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8564F831C4 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:53:13 +0000 (UTC) dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=bitmessage.ch; s=mail; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:References; bh=QeL1Q+TtbqQov0J+zgfsDubWI1cDwsYV0/fmYzbP26I=; b=rlY1KH0iFDF0I2SCV+HZtduB1m1bd43ehMsFYKf0Drek71OSHVghGmIkTz63miwcIWyX1vgKBNFlm/q0Fd8baq5dWwwysfZNhpoyzefKj6Dem861r01N2EdN593+yq9V7BonzdJkwHAPMbUJHH325b5MJontTOHU6I/i1RLbVBU= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (Unknown [62.102.148.67]) by mail.bitmessage.ch with ESMTPSA (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128) ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:52:43 +0100 To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> From: Oliver Smith Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=ollieparanoid@bitmessage.ch; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFkgqFYBEACpmb35WGjNXMOALKSpRaZSLnPSQWMGFS1bVbMl4ugIP4aqQCN4qUeC3DAh 57OajhP9eWwbyeAh9l7G2sJYaiuJOonQsnLdNe4vXLH9r8rpr7EAgv6RsiuShIox7W45z1p6 v3SJQi5W+tayzXAsr1shYHKIhx48xBdDjqxHIvYaoyMTiWqyp4o4W0YlH4MTafuEjW1wANma e9thyyhbdRql2kcLjIAkLNRh7rGI3NT0bJboc5p71srv2TqwbbrMOZtmRo9qPFPUpAt7qFaf aRVaasXiIR+zLHfIoW1g7tlzdLPrW1QVvPNBOIUMA4NqKSWiQxsgzdu7Suydou3Kb4O0FHRv vHdfOkB07uECSZTZSdseIXOu9Ofsi6tD0hhz+7ODqknM9IFlPD32CY/H3uvbw9u5qyDAlaSV 6b1djAVzCgc5zJM/WQx8GbH9ww5i8iG+2b/OSSGQRUOr0wxpXDKuN1gbXwZhtVVa56icKJta bbTyhIZZi2/XNqxPtcZxV9LTZ0+uNXcHelO8g/qFNJX0aCtAfaLwec5OZ1qppjeQ8paos13N JtBnH7U+0OCcH7B4Hc91I6L5qnUHQBC84MqLehw/XSBYEp56NXrRJByn9cVCoqWoD+Og4YCx pn0QboraBbYBg32jP8nEt3IRYWyD7hrU3szH9H+OlpCUHFhzYQARAQABtCpPbGl2ZXIgU21p dGggPG9sbGllcGFyYW5vaWRAYml0bWVzc2FnZS5jaD6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQgJ CgsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQRW6FMNtYvcgBJX9fBa5/VRPgiFywUCWSCsbwAKCRBa5/VRPgiF y5YOEACTnQ9cb6tWuabTUduoi5UV6A1M/CU1ZnCvTVPCu72pfjn1idniAtis0Q25UfAs3FNr 8user54eBfLB9X/6LPU97VeKrOz2j0IVDAneL99YyK2xLw02a0vVDpnhCvP1fZZEtnmt1Z/v DCvU2BKTNV62w3S6ZojKQqS25/gPny06seJW38P7Md7lJNwvwsjiL/j29REWRI1SYUI1N3OG +tSVWhNNGXNaYSLpGh481JAbp7o+xb+e9Gl+PSIyu2uThAjYcKLm32yorrK8VGMUzqf/FN1z 9VLQWWMMTA/NFwj+HQaaFoEnUu9H2Epw/Vcz4sGanhv/Fjc3QeRfiUbCAdqFtCE1iDfmYvX+ gODyJi2xpQ2MLTS6DOL5J3JXOIBRHPkjsDl6vuxxxjzLhWUbn4PpU/fNYap2dp1A19IH2IxR Ka7ClzYI8wrxW7APjbP/Ii9Md6KXTJWLQ+RGsQ8LvOTPVMXzdmqCLe3SwgSrGH9xr4pNm8qf PAclsuWlqyEEdWFj5080m98ZJgU0A1yHH95bmrWmhugaAydEC/uTc2tSMYrqRWzL12bAGBig 493Vx3I9it6fECVSPdWEw7KwqK2J10X4lvryODAzg4biPnOVFQeR9Nup/HBPWv7u3oFefl+7 1QENkMD1AIVhtrT0NMRO8qlsd8KhbVVCQTxfsWEVnbkCDQRZIKhWARAAtnQOhY4KQwU4io++ WxmiNIKuvA5lzMDugBCK/EcY8hNjVh3L2JjgJ1izwcL2mWaUL384tyBODoAAwlShDObfc8LN ozIHVr0JOoblFPR6Jzi9WVq0dquqvqd8ZQu2AXiSjvyvqlqlmX3+/+duSqGa6/p/fYorpCmt TIkGI9CEB8ZabEtlj/rA09QhMnlkHEM9pPtzuUDhddxx7qJ6qFwtp2+WGT7Cd4fHKrnk5Yfw G4RxubxsFkC/3ekO/hmnqkDhM7xTOR7e5+3EHaRoYDAW6DD+QfhLnPFtSLl71G7mzQ9unvM/ H6lWtZLb4SSqOxsNUJwY9FUkqLWnHxeC1xkVNjeRCf0ojobPxmRwG4/uQlE5UNwUolgPzYUU +EbZjtB1TZpD9wVILjkJrkVfdjdGjT3WTuMYbZbF3i63cq2T4jnktfW0zU6LZAsB+sn/Fbka SBQqN39o+1EhjPEJS5sYksPgHxpLyWgPcUaLilFnoTXAJMafj2B8Pq7yNs/izLGbrNIXvByM ZblbkO1SsKmDxYyV4mPDpc6nMVbIMGE5T0HVElBy8nc0kXMrRo2iidm9r2uMdIzTDK4ik8oY aZ1gzPCeL/+rGKA94n6heow5CKJeEb7L22DoPKYVv9JOjLhbZ2+jxZKoCe2NfyRac7PbiDgz tzmks+vzZFmyBSRANrsAEQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBFboUw21i9yAElf18Frn9VE+CIXL BQJZIKx1AAoJEFrn9VE+CIXL84UP/3l/f77Sfn2Ldwh2h+GyK4Em20/BNgnYx5H8lvKFCswd 2yWp4gO92rrmgnfa43Hl3x7/4Afn2WV5/kQwJL41xoJhhi3n3nOxPzXrHRi2eonLzwup09VC hs4Sg4Q7fHeUK+fXyKg7KgUY5LHDoYH6Md8Cuy5Er6st9Xam6daXDmkVVVQ74b2yXMfsW9h8 yBpWjg+JSh68LZf0quevM4iLEq+qZVvRM8lzaDyVs6fAT4iNmaw/+5+RZi7aCH2PLRRIwR4f Ufha/MNo1nupLSnQD16kfB5DHkwbHWp96USVkYHl/lxGN55FjH1dP5TBfgAsurCjmxWxZTQp S+sqivEElg4j7+rpIOLCugskq8EN0Hv7j9nOaov7iB/BzubT9XHqy518/IQ0UAaNPgowpvx7 ISd9QXpMhTSeETVgLTv4SaoZZqE2UUKVVkbF5RAt2ykF/4Iow2UEX9nyg0g3g5LW82zV6xyG m+XdIAoRawBe1vcS0xHfysfqEK23YTpQC4Q69yfjHknaA6rK8rvPrQJK34JWMICes6A91RpA 51CsEVUZTIha6nkIRF2aOdZaC2NeVhbYX66YEERV2EA5Wy7Fi5ES/7/mhQRkqCj6r6Zw2Py3 fUwz07s/NcFvqkrICZDTmCH4jydV6jUgLwzw4uf82HKwmQxPvyw1XWaK9fXUMON2 Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20874338-c836-6082-55e9-98a027e60921@bitmessage.ch> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:53:00 +0000 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Overall I'd add my ACK. Chloe Kudryavtsev: > How about the following?: >> - - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. >> + - To build a friendly, productive and sustainable community that > does not depend on any singular entity. I would prefer to have this addition. Regarding "Do the right thing over doing the written thing". What is the written thing? If it is the rules outlined in the initial post, then I don't see a valid reason to go against these rules. Chloe also wrote: > On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: >>> - Do the right thing over doing the written thing >> >> What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? >> >> I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing >> to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even >> if the written rules says I shouldn't" > > The axioms involved are as such: > - There is always a correct course of action, based on the project goals. > - It is possible to identify this course of action. > - This course of action could, in theory, require breaking an existing rule or policy. > > Under the latter conditions, the idea here is to allow people to do said correct thing without (necessarily) waiting on consensus. IMHO that makes it more complicated than necessary. I don't think that the Alpine team would deadlock itself because of a rule they made earlier that does not hold up anymore. So I would rather remove the "Do the right thing..." line. With that being said, I don't have a whole lot of experience in writing/reviewing such community rules. Regards, Oliver --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---