X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.toastin.space (mail.toastin.space [207.246.93.162]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912A5F8507C for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.toastin.space (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8e60aea8; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:34:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=toastin.space; h=subject :to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=ml; bh=gHMNNeZbt5lFRa Ho0nJqVI95xbs=; b=gPvXnEoO3JEGuf1wRxFs4WkI36EyXbuL2xhgf62h8UACFf nyUIoKNxAgixBAPAnDLnsmE2yOxGz5HWksHXP/M7q98kcBfMY/NQ51whdHXHYRa2 4yHe2tNJzAAYfmIeecwYwV13zqKm70VbnlgdWS0/wX6kxFlqSxHUDjt+IpyoTxk9 VdQwmuxVoXUL2OsKIpCizxXgFafNfJO0C3CxeU+2fUwnKWCvjckjq8e+QA8iZ/ZE lotww4WpsZMLklRToVWWwix/vrqKIuruSmatlKkBaedSqsaHpIjgUqr1ZK17Q0S8 iw/4XoKmU/2to5MNhz14Hrf9DGcoyaX+K8mijLMA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=toastin.space; h=subject:to :references:cc:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=ml; b=c9+jZ4Q0 MLVO3ZtjmV2RKVPLMAajnWGCTVfldwhUBYrhSOPsyLZSxcTxUnSnoujpE2P4exyS kG63K2hl+Itnn1RfGYC0tTvetjPRGBAvsMOy2Lc8ao4VCRUnsvGcsodt1UD9anPW SEP4+Hw3Fhl/hWnFwpMniABKa2qbvEJctQixmf0wBRRB0qa5FEqwCP1/5p+ZEQYR hvIK1regfeuHhRcV0bl7dNPTS40RL/o4+IhtcWXv6Kf1xkDfcqie9fDsaJ903NVW b1iO/CQoU2Uu0CflYxycYz5KkgKoz1jfaGvJttkEfleM47J5D316DxgxEAQTb3GB pMMG91Lrgv9yNw== Received: from [192.168.0.135] (173-246-15-165.qc.cable.ebox.net [173.246.15.165]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 95f2328d (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Rework the base team description To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org References: <20190409050210.20217-3-sir@cmpwn.com> <20190409133140.GB21799@homura.localdomain> <6B5C3246-C8D8-4CE8-8A56-8ECBADE4654B@yahoo.com> <20190409175838.GE21799@homura.localdomain> <20190410203624.35719561@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <9ab6d193-4671-1786-1214-65daad959aed@toastin.space> <20190411152723.32e38e16@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190411172622.3978cc04@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190411152735.GB25237@homura.localdomain> Cc: Drew DeVault From: Chloe Kudryavtsev Message-ID: <57141430-858c-6afd-ecfb-891a1817c6f5@toastin.space> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:34:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/67.0 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190411152735.GB25237@homura.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/11/2019 11:27 AM, Drew DeVault wrote: > I've also been unsure about forced rotation. Why don't we compromise and > eliminate the restriction about serving consecutive terms? You actually brought up one of the reason forced rotation has to exist in one of our talks previously. Allow me to quote myself with the relevant examples: On 4/11/2019, I wrote: > This is also why you cannot be re-elected immediately. > When elections are coming up, the person about to end their term would have significant amounts of influence, and if they were bad they could use those to try to pressure people into re-electing them. > Similarly, a good person that's about to end their term would be vulnerable to bad external actors pressuring people into not re-electing them (for instance, someone could go through everything you have ever said, and tried to dig up something embarrassing). > Both of these types of events are unneeded strain on the project, and both are effectively eliminated by enforcing a one-year-break between being in power. If we were to eliminate the restriction about serving consecutive terms, we would have to make sure we are prepared for well-known real scenarios like the above. I think forced rotation is an adequate method of preventing them inherently, and also gives the base member the opportunity to see the world from the position of everyone else - refreshing their perspective and enabling them to serve better. If we can come out with ways to have both of the above that is not forced rotation, I would be onboard, but I'm not really seeing any acceptable approach. Do you have one? :) --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---