From: Shiz <hi@shiz.me>
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Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] aports workflow
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:07:22 +0200
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Hi,

> On 2 Jun 2017, at 08:15, Fabian Affolter =
<fabian@affolter-engineering.ch> wrote:
>=20
> Hi all,
>=20
> A while ago I brought this topic up on IRC but I go pretty much =
ignored.
> Well, my frustration raised again to a certain level ;-)
>=20
> It's about the aports and the workflow for people with no write =
access.
>=20
> I like Github's PR approach and to have some kind of QA with Travis.
> Especially if your not always on top of what's changed in AL, =
switching
> between distributions and their packaging mechanisms, and your build =
env
> is not always as clean as it should be.

The continuous integration is really nice IMO, and definitely a big =
upside.
I=E2=80=99m personally a big fan of GitHub PRs for contributions as they =
significantly
lower the bar for new and continuous contributions.

> There are over 200 open PRs (sure, some are no obsolete in the =
meantime
> as they are open for over 6 months). I don't how it looks like on the
> alpine-aports mailing list.

Some perspective on this: when I started working on them we steadied =
them at
around 100. It=E2=80=99s mostly because of the release stuff the past =
few weeks that
they seem to have jumped much higher. I don=E2=80=99t have much =
historical data though,
so maybe that lower number was just a fluke. :)

> My problem with the current approach is that I do the work, then =
nothing
> happens, and at the end it must be discarded because somebody with =
write
> access commited his/her work directly.
>=20
> Sure, one could say that you should keep your hands of packages which
> don't contain your name as maintainer. If that thought crossed your =
mind
> then...let me stop here before I say something I will regret later =
about
> community, open source, common goal, etc.
>=20
> A fact is that the current state is massively devaluing the work of =
the
> community and pushing the two class society (write access/no write
> access) further.

I entirely agree with this, and bypassing existing work is somewhat of =
an
issue and doesn=E2=80=99t do much to help the community. I think =
maintainers and
developers should be trained to look at existing PRs FIRST, and only =
then
try to do stuff that scratches their itch themselves.

Otherwise, it just makes Alpine feel like a private club of people doing
their own stuff which you are ~allowed~ to contribute to if they feel
like it, instead of a community, as is intended with the community and
testing repos at the very least.

I=E2=80=99ll admit that the recent release rush has been kind of tiring =
in the
sense that I did not feel like looking at PRs aside from the other work
that was happening. Maybe there=E2=80=99s room for different tasks =
there? Maybe
we need to branch 3.6 earlier and work on there, while still being able
to merge new stuff/updates that are too late for 3.6 in edge?

> Just to be clear this is not a one-time thing and I doubt that I'm the
> only one that's affected. Think about how you would feel when we would
> switch places and the only response you will get is "was already done"
> or something similar to that while the time line shows that you did =
the
> work first.
>=20
> Complaining is easy but without complaining there is no progress. As a
> person with write access you may see the whole thing differently but
> change your perspective for a minute and think about how the impact on
> the future of Al could be.

Aside from what I said above, I=E2=80=99d like to see input from others =
as well
how we could best address this. Now that 3.6 is out of the door, we =
should
be able to focus more on reviewing and merging contributions again =
instead
of rushing work to get done in time.

> Kind regards,
>=20
> Fabian

Thanks for airing your grievances, I=E2=80=99m sorry that they weren=E2=80=
=99t properly
heard on IRC. We can only improve as a project by looking critically at
ourselves.

- Shiz

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