X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.224]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 982B0DC19A9 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 16:22:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.12] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 16:22:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 16:22:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 92188.20023.bm@omp1012.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 96393 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2012 16:22:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330964557; bh=WOXlXxWi9LpLRTmhhG/n6RWOb0IGZUebnQJu8yW0RAw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qS5d8UZtolH+1kTnR8GIga0uD937MXak2ZUaaaJ1a8E1gFokP3AYES51lFtkPJ9zi3qcLR7vHwwFZic52e/UAyHoywa4ywNspchJLni8zLHaFAkpbhv8swYpfVdkscULpCaglcaDcrScDFwfLmXzSYqif6Ewvlu4ShDHo6DMjdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0KXOiBD1Pb+Iub+K7Utwhd+YnqkzVA/mGTBFFZnmVzgaEZMBcj0Xz47CkgJHErMHRzrs6Ll2pDteWS8dzGYALgAZiekHa9H27tLwXi/ZFMyihdNLNSGcCPCuxDXmOWe0jl4ez5aKW+UocV5cW5MhG3N9wsNPC88e82y8hRDvQE0=; X-YMail-OSG: Sc0lo2AVM1nRHmbR_QFyOdA.elY3gVnOmJ43zV0utxMYlti 6.gD5TymCeX0rEHfbVnuqBgNuaxF9EvNm9GdB4WFgZ_aVyYgrRxMUCf.YnUC c9h3EpBiwSxrB62DwbGU4KMyYZsxtJZKLLZJ9fggTnwyVjM_aWDPld.oE6X5 70kMLcs40PpuASQSb6Z0.TymnaDQHd4rrQoOaflsz1YKd6xhHLyRIIYX36j_ ORdupIwyKjKQWoSrzgR8Qo9HwqifdDX7RkodkZBjMCSzYrWNYCJNRyY8uEcd bjtai.eALHIQB4LX8noQJh.3MOvRJ7W7Txvi8B2Fnk_iK3y7hVNYgSBHlOeI Hc3sHd0U1KaQDCOpFEdVJ3ug9HFw_28Oo55h8nJ5mn3Pv3lRAIXRMHWqhNeo 73UpkWvXdwZ9pZ3zP2zRSL9a.QlYOr4uzPqbpnbxZYCwlaoW__o80zJjhOw. WZegyPDcApQ2mcG7sXkvyFPOZYpoSWYXVyDdv Received: from [144.190.47.5] by web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:22:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1330852060.31716.140661044540177@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20120305094554.23727d3c@ncopa-desktop.nor.wtbts.net> <1330941814.16357.140661044929169@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20120305152103.08b6b9d8@ncopa-desktop.nor.wtbts.net> Message-ID: <1330964556.96329.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Trask Reply-To: Ted Trask Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Understanding alpine-setup To: Natanael Copa , Jim Pryor Cc: "alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org" In-Reply-To: <20120305152103.08b6b9d8@ncopa-desktop.nor.wtbts.net> X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-329559056-1371718747-1330964556=:96329" ---329559056-1371718747-1330964556=:96329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comments on ACF:=0A=0A=0AOn Monday, March 5, 2012 9:21 AM=0ANatanael Copa <= ncopa@alpinelinux.org> wrote:=0A=0A>=A0I think it has been mentioned in IRC= some time that it would have been=0A> nice to integrate the setup-* script= s with ACF better. After all they=0A>=A0=A0do partially same job.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A>=A0Also, the idea is also to at some point have a GTK ui for th= is. Would=0A>=A0=A0be nice to use same backend.=0A=0A>=A0=A0I guess this is= was what ACF was originally supposed to do but ended up=0A>=A0=A0as way to= o web (and html) centric.=0A=0A>=A0=A0Actually, ACF grew out from "we need = to manage Alpine boxes via web and=0A>=A0=A0we need to do it *now*". There = was a thought that it should be a=0A>=A0=A0general purpose configuration fr= amework but ended up as a more or less=0A>=A0=A0web only thing.=0A=0AI agre= e that ACF became too web centric. I'm in the middle of significant changes= to ACF to make it more generic. So, you should be able to use the ACF func= tionality from a generic Lua application and/or from the acf-cli applicatio= n. I've made most of the changes to acf-core, but there are corresponding c= hanges needed to EVERY other ACF package to be compatible. Considering that= I've started a new job and am in the process of moving, my ACF development= time is minimal right now. So, it's extremely doubtful that I will have it= done by April 1 for Alpine Linux 2.4 as was my goal. We shall see...=0A=0A= Ted ---329559056-1371718747-1330964556=:96329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Comments on ACF:


On Monday, Ma= rch 5, 2012 9:21 AM
Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org&g= t; wrote:
> I think it has = been mentioned in IRC some time that it would have been
> nice to integrate the setup-* scripts with ACF better. A= fter all they
>  do partially same = job.

<snip>

> Also, the= idea is also to at some point have a GTK ui for this. Would
>  be nice to use same backend.

>  I guess this is was what ACF was originally s= upposed to do but ended up
>  as wa= y too web (and html) centric.

> &nbs= p;Actually, ACF grew out from "we need to manage Alpine boxes via web and
>  we need to do it *now*". There was a thought tha= t it should be a
>  general purpose= configuration framework but ended up as a more or less
>  web only thing.

I agree that ACF beca= me too web centric. I'm in the middle of significant changes to ACF to make= it more generic. So, you should be able to use the ACF functionality from = a generic Lua application and/or from the acf-cli application. I've made mo= st of the changes to acf-core, but there are corresponding changes needed t= o EVERY other ACF package to be compatible. Considering that I've started a= new job and am in the process of moving, my ACF development time is minima= l right now. So, it's extremely doubtful that I will have it done by April = 1 for Alpine Linux 2.4 as was my goal. We shall see...

Ted
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