Message-ID: <1445872834.3455.43.camel@df1844j>
Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] v3.3 feature freeze
From: Leonardo Arena <rnalrd@gmail.com>
To: Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org>
Cc: "V.Krishn" <vkrishn4@gmail.com>, alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:20:34 +0100
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On lun, 2015-10-26 at 10:12 +0100, Natanael Copa wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:04:36 +0530
> "V.Krishn" <vkrishn4@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Hi,
> > >=20
> > > We now need to stop working on new features for the v3.3 release and
> > > concentrate on wrapping things up for v3.3 release. Testing and fixin=
g
> > > bugs.
> > >=20
> > > A few questions:
> > >=20
> > > Can we make the 'lua' package be lua5.3? I think everything that need=
s
> > > 5.1 should have depends on 'lua5.1' instead of 'lua'.
> > >=20
> > > Can anyone help with upgrading llvm-3.7 and clang?
> > >=20
> > > Can anyone help with upgrade xen to 4.6?
> > >=20
> > > I'd like to move as much ruby stuff as possible to community, can
> > > someone help with that?
> > >=20
> > > Are there anything else that needs cleanup for v3.3?
> >=20
> > Any thoughts on:
> > 1. All desktops except one that we want to keep as default and ready to=
 jump=20
> > on it to fix when update available or broken.
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> You mean move to community?
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> I'm all for moving as much as possible to community.
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> The question was more general, what more cleanup, more than just move
> stuff to community, are *needed* before v3.3. Eg the critical stuff,
> the things we can not forget.
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> > 2. Web application like drupal, phpmyadmin, owncloud i.e pkgs that does=
 not=20
> > require compiling and are sometimes more easier to install by downloadi=
ng the=20
> > orig tar and just uncompressing in web-folders.
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> What about those packages?
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I think we should move to community the packages which don't have stable
and maintained releases. This is not the case of ownCloud since is
maintained for 1,5 years after release. For example v6.0.0 was released
in Dec. 2013 and last update was 6.0.9 on July 2016. v7.0.0 was released
July 2014 it's still actively maintained.

I think it's handy to have web applications packages for run-from-RAM
installations. Also upgrade of packaged web application is faster then
tar-based installations.

Not sure about drupal maintenance policy, and may be phpmyadmin can be
likely moved.

> > More pkgs can be picked based on definition and difference
> >  in community and main (please expand)
> > 1. main requires 2yrs maintenance skill commitment.
> > 2. main has higher priority when comes to pushing update/broken pkgs in=
 next=20
> > releases , right ?
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> Something like that yes.
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> > Based on 2 above, I can spot (debatable though),=20
> >  zabbix, nagios, wayland
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> I think we want atleast zabbix and nagios to stay in main.
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+1

> Wayland can probably move to community, unless there is something that
> depends on it that we want/need keep in main.
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> Would be great if the feedback would not include any kind of research
> from my part (eg wayland is in the dependency chain of what packages?)
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> > This can also help in creating various isos, like
> > 1. alpine-boot (bootable+live+AL preferred net tools/utils)
> >     media that gets you started with bare alpine install
> >     (quite same as current alpine-mini)
> > 2. alpine-cd (same above + main) - non-desktop
> > 2a. alpine-cd2 (anything in main if above 700mb)
> > ...
> > 3. alpine-dvd (1+2+2a+community)
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> Lets take that discussion after v3.3. We are unfortunally running out
> of time for v3.3 release.
> =20
> > What if 2+3 had boot options - grsec vanilla ?
> > Will this help in not creating the smaller sized vanilla and xen isos ?
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> to late for this kind of changes now.
> =20
> > Comments welcome.
> >=20
>=20
> -nc
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I'll try to come up with list of packages that we could consider moving
to community.

Thanks!

- leo


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