Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 15:07:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Ariadne Conill <ariadne@dereferenced.org>
To: Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com>
cc: Nulo <catdevnull@riseup.net>, ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org
Subject: Re: Experiencing harmful behavior in Alpine
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Hello,

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, Drew DeVault wrote:

> This is not the first time mps has been out of line. His behavior has
> been frequently been disruptive and abusive towards other contributors
> and has created an unwelcome environment for participants.
>
> To quote the code of conduct:
>
>> Our goal is to maintain a safe, helpful and friendly Alpine community
>> for everyone
>
> mps's behavior in this and prior examples is neither helpful nor
> friendly. There are no consequences for his behavior so there is no
> reason for him to stop doing it. Many people have left Alpine because
> Alpine never deals with abusive behavior.

While I agree that Alpine has been sloppy with this, it *has* improved 
markedly from where it was a few years ago.  But there is always room for 
improvement, of course.  And being a good team player is just as important 
as technical excellence, so mps should not get a pass on that just because 
he is good at his work.

> I call on the TSC to formally evaluate mps's behavior under the code of
> conduct, to release a statement explaining their findings, and to take
> punitive action if deemed appropriate.

Unfortunately, the TSC does not have the authority to enforce the Code of 
Conduct, this is retained by the Alpine Council, for good reason.  When 
developing the new governance structure, it was our intent that there be 
an ability to validate that TSC members are also following the Code of 
Conduct, which requires a separate team without conflicts of interest.

I have suggested that the Alpine Council create a Code of Conduct team to 
deal with these matters independently, but am not sure of the current 
status.

In regards to what the TSC *could* investigate, is whether or not the NMUs 
in question were technically warranted.  As mps asserted that he would 
stop doing NMUs against Nulo's packages, I am not sure if there is still 
an open question for the TSC (the technical aspect of the issue is 
resolved unless another NMU occurs), or what the TSC can offer as a fix, 
other than reverting the NMUs that mps performed; I already offered that 
as a possible solution from the TSC side of things, but Nulo expressed 
their preference to pursue this as a CoC issue instead.

But, admittedly, I am not happy with this either, both because Nulo's 
concern has not been addressed by our current workflows, and because there 
is no actual way to request a CoC inquiry.  Both of these things should be 
addressed.

Ariadne