Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 15:58:06 +0200
From: Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org>
To: Carlo Landmeter <clandmeter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] New logo and website design?
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On Mon, 12 May 2014 23:45:34 +0200
Carlo Landmeter <clandmeter@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Der Tiger <der.tiger.alpine@arcor.de>wrote:
> 
> > Carlo,
> >
> > > Also the mountains/alps in our logo (and our header image) how do they
> > > relate to our project?
> > Well, could this be because the project is called _Alpine_ Linux !? ;-)
> >
> 
> Thats exactly the "issue" i was talking about. Our project name is Alpine
> Linux. If you lookup alpine in wikipedia, it says: "The term alpine refers
> to the Alps, a European mountain range.". Our project has nothing to do
> with alps, except the (imho) vague arguments you make before. Thus drawing
> an alp on your logo would make people on the street (random people) think
> we sell some sort of mountain climbing gear.

This is a good point. We don't want be taken for something that sells
climbing equipment or car audio equipment.

https://www.google.no/search?q=alpine+logo&tbm=isch

I was kinda hoping that the hexagon should make us different from
those. The text "Linux" should also make it clean what it is about.

But I don't mind that there are alps in the logo, as it is a "play"
with the name.

I think what we should compare our logo with is:

https://www.google.no/search?q=linux+distro+logo&tbm=isch

There are many circles there, so I think we do the right with a hexagon.

(Interesting that also Mepis has mountains or pyramids)



> 
> 
> >
> > As can be learned from the last paragraph at {1}, the name Alpine was
> > derived from "A Linux Powered Integrated Network Engine". There is
> > certainly some sort of relation between the product and alps, since
> > mountains are associated with being as durable a barrier as a firewall
> > should be. While keeping valleys apart, mountains offer connecting
> > infrastructure in the form of paths and passes, just like Alpine Linux
> > does by separating and deliberately connecting WAN and LAN.
> >
> 
> Alpine is not *only* a firewall, it has been used for many other situations
> as stated before by Nathanael.
> As stated before, I think your arguments regarding alps vs alpine are
> vague, I wouldnt want to have snow on top of my server or have water
> running thru it (if you look at it in that perspective).

lol

Yes its vauge. It a connection with the name and thats it basically.


> >
> > Apart from that: Every child needs a name.
> >
> 
> Absolutley, I dont think anybody want to change the name ( I love it).

Good :)


> 
> >
> > > Maybe I'm the only one, but i still like our current logo a lot, even if
> > > it has been designed in a rush.
> > I personally favour the new concept.
> >
> > > PS ive seen projects that change colors when browsing to other parts of
> > > the site, and i didn't like it.
> > Certainly, this is a matter of how it is implemented. It is quite common
> > for commercial products to use colours to group the different types of a
> > product, e.g. the standard and the pro edition of any software. This
> > helps the customer to easily remember and recognize the type of product
> > he/she is used to buy, while the basic designs of all products of the
> > brand stay the same. For instance, the O'Reilly Media {2} publishing
> > company uses differently coloured banners for each scientific field they
> > publish books in, while the overall look of their books is (mostly)
> > identical.
> >
> > In the case of Alpine Linux it would require quite some effort to
> > implement the use of different colour schemes in that way, because all
> > products are offered on the same web page and each reference to any
> > product type would have to be modified to the appropriate colour scheme.
> > On the other hand, the project home page, the wiki and the bug tracker
> > are separate software, that could independently be set-up with different
> > colour schemes as long as the overall look stays the same and visitors
> > perceive the different sections as being part of one whole website.
> >
> 
> I have nothing against *limited* colors schemes that change, but please
> dont change logo colors, its a no go in CI.

Ok. Lets try avoid to many different colors.

-nc


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