From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [74.117.190.25]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACD8F84D11 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6809E29CA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw (67.63.200.37.customer.cdi.no [37.200.63.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alpine@tanael.org) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D84F9E2493 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:40:36 +0100 From: Natanael Copa To: Alpine Development Subject: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! We would like to revise and formalize how we are organized. The current way we are written in those two emails: https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6024.html https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6025.html Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort of consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding principles. Since this affects everyone involved in the project I invite everyone to comment. Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful. This is the current proposal: == Project Goals - To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security, simplicity and resource efficiency. - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. === Guiding Principles - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect - Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project - Empower motivated people to effect change and progress - Do the right thing over doing the written thing Thanks! -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.cmpwn.com (mail.cmpwn.com [45.56.77.53]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA13DF84E5E for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:44:44 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=cmpwn.com; s=cmpwn; t=1553874441; bh=WXOq6qAHnKu3brOlgpJMrNc6uH/CTGO+k3Yo6ao7Mc4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=0e4Wmj+ox97r902I3YZuWsxxwUrCvnHQlrJ9lNfRA9+UB0U4c9ltLE0qYb7LpK4NW eLqn18O1l04TPq4Y4cPuh6hZCnZ2tpy36uLMeF6RkuXQJJs/lpfUS+h5nELDxjADg9 jJ/1IYqcu/WTj9aVfhgfqzrdtvirh+So9zfIWRzQ= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:44:42 -0400 From: Drew DeVault To: Natanael Copa Cc: Alpine Development Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190329154442.GA1155@homura.localdomain> References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> X-GNU: Terry Pratchett On 2019-03-29 9:40 AM, Natanael Copa wrote: > Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful. 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ACK --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [74.117.190.25]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44171F81712 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AE59E2A5B; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw (67.63.200.37.customer.cdi.no [37.200.63.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alpine@tanael.org) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC8FC9E1C19; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:43:46 +0100 From: Natanael Copa To: Chloe Kudryavtsev Cc: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190329184346.381c3c92@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:41:38 -0400 Chloe Kudryavtsev wrote: > On 3/29/2019 4:40 AM, Natanael Copa wrote: > > Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful. > > ACK For the record. It was Chloe who wrote down the proposal in the first place after discussing it on IRC. -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail-qk1-f174.google.com (mail-qk1-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E6BF831B4 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id c1so3487731qkk.4 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 14:45:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=D0I0SwWHsQu4sP3yHJbZzmgtAHPe8X7H2gbpLUR+B2w=; b=XKQmDlzqH1DzdRnPUe4A7Juwk72b2p3lxPF1QLe6OcwZznHpXG07atiR5QM7/Astu7 UfeT1BEYuZC64IKuUVFyvyNLCqsjOVuty2rX13M5Pms5gh+0PhPyxubWaIfPbduZYYiL Key5yHJjumFdUVFHMWi/r1iWf3l84MY38ajyhlwHu+3qY9RdR9JHVRHrDdnOqPNIT35a 5Zl8G2UYLuXseEnIUOOaEiD1Qf8e86thD9+QSr/3ZVEs27PH8mjNI94H8bO4s5h4Bd5f AN9uYCRwepCE57mqgDOfwuOBHMyJIgyQxawRLzregG1A1k8X93TvIayjohEn5D8cNNW+ UFGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=D0I0SwWHsQu4sP3yHJbZzmgtAHPe8X7H2gbpLUR+B2w=; b=BlvvbINiVpENy37bgrnQ4QDjsvgsGF5uL1LbHWXhbszG0S2qAwKTM0KC0mHhKRrHNr Pnl8ng8uezvmFcuwKraeZN6hOOKUX4+VTGgsjcr0y86zCxk9z3Hvvn+B4mHj5ZU2Cg3w mUu+K1LyxUUZemkWibe8WkTstVnpjVuvG07yg7eNW9IABG5dzMYnIZETtn3JyIxUOFMP M+wlpOEm+liU/kelbkPnGyzs4hWwE4WFvXitAU3Wi1HclHwT3OhEC3FDxKNn+CyB9lmG xPWHx9MW5J8GK7wTMt3uSM60O6e5wBYzek14A+L0UW5xdvYzbbApTNbjhjSVEHbDeF3u cBJw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXqapGasAHCl7L+ZtXlWCFS/YdwHEzH2AGw2zxqRCzSiYKH14jx AJSMQdsCtMM4+STJmaQTw56takuUqY5GCnkCFmk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyKkYSQKi9OPaNH42RPyc3VWNsqey4rFx8kVUvPRS0gJASdTKgoMWeo9Qv7Py6DXqDw9KGlHf0ImUyGmVmwU84= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:14b0:: with SMTP id x16mr42158961qkj.187.1553982348808; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> From: Timothy Legge Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:45:42 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: Natanael Copa Cc: Alpine Development Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e356c5058556b53b" --000000000000e356c5058556b53b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I just found Alpine recently and have no real idea what prompted this thread nor do I really care enough to look back. Over the years I have been involved in a lot of different projects, some as a casual contributor and one brief time as a co project leader. I've mellowed as I get older and things I will tolerate are both more and less. I participate at the fringes mostly. If I like the software or need a feature I add it send a pull request. I like it when it gets accepted but if it doesn't it's not a big deal. I've worked with all kinds but like bullys the least. Some people are abrupt and rude but not horrible. Some are just assholes. Challenging someone to do better is fine. No one grows if they are comfortable. Making someone uncomfortable without encouraging growth, or causing injury is not acceptable. The guidelines seem the right direction. Whether I stick around remains to be seen but as a project and people strive to do good and be good. Tim On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 5:41 AM Natanael Copa, wrote: > Hi! > > We would like to revise and formalize how we are organized. The current > way we are written in those two emails: > > https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6024.html > https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6025.html > > Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort of > consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding > principles. Since this affects everyone involved in the project I > invite everyone to comment. > > Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful. > > This is the current proposal: > > == Project Goals > - To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose > Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security, > simplicity and resource efficiency. > - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. > > === Guiding Principles > - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect > - Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project > - Empower motivated people to effect change and progress > - Do the right thing over doing the written thing > > > Thanks! > > -nc > > > --- > Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org > Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org > --- > > --000000000000e356c5058556b53b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just found Alpine recently and have no real idea what p= rompted this thread nor do I really care enough to look back.=C2=A0 Over th= e years I have been involved in a lot of different projects, some as a casu= al contributor and one brief time as a co project leader.
=
I've mellowed as I get older and things I w= ill tolerate are both more and less.=C2=A0 I participate at the fringes mos= tly.=C2=A0 If I like the software or need a feature I add it send a pull re= quest.=C2=A0 I like it when it gets accepted but if it doesn't it's= not a big deal.

I'v= e worked with all kinds but like bullys the least.=C2=A0 Some people are ab= rupt and rude but not horrible.=C2=A0 Some are just assholes.=C2=A0 Challen= ging someone to do better is fine.=C2=A0 No one grows if they are comfortab= le.=C2=A0 Making someone uncomfortable without encouraging growth, or causi= ng injury=C2=A0 is not acceptable.

The guidelines seem the right direction.=C2=A0 Whether I stick a= round remains to be seen but as a project and people strive to do good and = be good.

Tim
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On Fri= , Mar 29, 2019, 5:41 AM Natanael Copa, <ncopa@alpinelinux.org> wrote:
Hi!

We would like to revise and formalize how we are organized. The current
way we are written in those two emails:

https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-= devel/6024.html
https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-= devel/6025.html

Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort of
consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding
principles. Since this affects everyone involved in the project I
invite everyone to comment.

Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful.

This is the current proposal:

=3D=3D Project Goals
- To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose
=C2=A0 Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security,=
=C2=A0 simplicity and resource efficiency.
- To maintain a friendly and productive community within.

=3D=3D=3D Guiding Principles
- Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect
- Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project
- Empower motivated people to effect change and progress
- Do the right thing over doing the written thing


Thanks!

-nc


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=
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:41 AM Natan= ael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org= > wrote:
= Hi!

We would like to revise and formalize how we are organized. The current
way we are written in those two emails:

https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6024.= html
https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6025.= html

Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort of
consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding
principles. Since this affects everyone involved in the project I
invite everyone to comment.

Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful.
=
ACK=C2=A0


This is the current proposal:

=3D=3D Project Goals
- To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose
=C2=A0 Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security,=
=C2=A0 simplicity and resource efficiency.

<= div>+1 - attaining these goals continues to draw me to use Alpine on a dail= y basis.
=C2=A0
- To maintain a friendly and productive community within.

=3D=3D=3D Guiding Principles
- Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect
- Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project
- Empower motivated people to effect change and progress
- Do the right thing over doing the written thing


Thanks!

-nc


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--00000000000057658f05853f1b81-- --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [74.117.190.25]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5B3F84F0D for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F60D9E29AA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw (67.63.200.37.customer.cdi.no [37.200.63.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alpine@tanael.org) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF9C99E1EEE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:35:58 +0100 From: Natanael Copa To: Alpine Development Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm responding to myself... On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:40:36 +0100 Natanael Copa wrote: > Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort of > consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding > principles. ... > == Project Goals > - To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose > Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security, > simplicity and resource efficiency. > - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. Just to clarify. Those things are not new in any sense. Its more trying to define and document what has been the goal all the time. I want give anyone who may not agree with those goals a chance to leave early, so we save time debating specific rules later. No point discuss rules if we don't agree on the project goals in the first place. > === Guiding Principles > - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect > - Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project > - Empower motivated people to effect change and progress I found the last one a bit questionable: > - Do the right thing over doing the written thing What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even if the written rules says I shouldn't" I also wonder if would make sense to include something in the lines: "Build a sustainable community that does not depend on any individual or any single company or organization." Even if we haven't really written it down anywhere, that has been a goal since the very beginning. -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.toastin.space (mail.toastin.space [207.246.93.162]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3760F84F37 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.toastin.space (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7dfb7f5d; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:18:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=toastin.space; h=subject :to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=ml; bh=h2IedB31r5U5kr wDvHhgTX/P5c8=; b=ct2aF4EzqFRmzBMnmm9tISxeyMTx9Uww9xvSA4bm5knbVS 2pNIKqCTVGAUmzRO/86xY2pRoa1CUYxgFmX06xZRcbpnMP0AKBZNmZL2UwzHGePR xw3PjAOu0r7/e2Q5PtsoozuFabCbL0Y1cZbCXYGRxc8G59/BBxjEVrSIL54oV3ZB 5XM7iQz2LB+3PVVtsueZxhOsuEzQNiZZ7YgLb60WIo3OJUHd+ekqS8R01lDN824A 9BspGGl4FCVYcm5Ri8W0CRt9wMgrMnVrvexeQSDbc4JjtIbAdekkWDnwBd+UL1vu Fo2rii8d7RWV6Oo5g7FbkRF9v0/6kgfmX5CUsKjg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=toastin.space; h=subject:to :references:cc:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=ml; b=U0gicw9n XyMu1PqLbLmp6BmSGvWILj9NR2F1S74eJ1POpp2304J8suKsnVsxdW1wSchpCSID ydm8/Qym282BBER9iQzdBwO9V70Ggq9naOAlXKV1qtp4C+9CUXCJWMKmQAr1Dd7V lj0lilzUrL4HRsdjQFdIu6nGOg9xPTbuKaDK8D+4p8+mAFZRw5vBg46/kPnu8Cp9 14+/hogY63YzNKBQ2VrO50T4LRiShUVYVkZmCV+2N1AbcBDdTdNn4+WplfYG1Td8 rWRz4rNZEC1oMiR1Rc5qutbdVrGvtg9uMebxyWrJ+S7CLgiimmhKEOqD6ANRhd/P fL71rFJ/xt2i2w== Received: from [192.168.0.135] (173-246-15-165.qc.cable.ebox.net [173.246.15.165]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id b7b60ebd (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> Cc: Natanael Copa , Drew DeVault From: Chloe Kudryavtsev Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:18:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:66.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/66.0 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: >> - Do the right thing over doing the written thing > > What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? > > I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing > to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even > if the written rules says I shouldn't" The axioms involved are as such: - There is always a correct course of action, based on the project goals. - It is possible to identify this course of action. - This course of action could, in theory, require breaking an existing rule or policy. Under the latter conditions, the idea here is to allow people to do said correct thing without (necessarily) waiting on consensus. > Who decides what the right thing is? The intent is for the right thing to be decided by consensus - a sort of "exception" system. If someone abuses this by claiming to know what the right thing is, while not actually following consensus, that would be qualified as abuse of power and punishable. I do see the concerns with the wording, though, and that was my main criticism of this point (as drafted by Drew). However, I could not come up with a better wording, so I left it in. The intention (slightly longer) is documented above, so let's discuss the intent, and if anyone comes up with better wording, it can be substituted in. > I also wonder if would make sense to include something in the lines: > > "Build a sustainable community that does not depend on any individual or > any single company or organization." > > Even if we haven't really written it down anywhere, that has been a > goal since the very beginning. How about the following?: > - - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. > + - To build a friendly, productive and sustainable community that does not depend on any singular entity. --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.cmpwn.com (mail.cmpwn.com [45.56.77.53]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18C1F81457 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:29:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=cmpwn.com; s=cmpwn; t=1553887920; bh=49gZFw7P6i6nB5Qe3aGAci00yc4lXtCvNWabjgjVPtw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=GscHYFzkTjBKqToseAyQQcD/iMeYPbwsERV0DiH3lIprnSh7lzSy4DZpZ4BORG65E xwawgGuFJfB8mn9xC0qWa4XJE8TUGFev7e1IDl+39VI4f3xiqiEnpULuT4p+Rxg/Uw HakHnH1EwE2FLBu++FodVZgJ9g+yjJj1HN+5H2p0= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:29:21 -0400 From: Drew DeVault To: Chloe Kudryavtsev Cc: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org, Natanael Copa Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190329192921.GH1192@homura.localdomain> References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GNU: Terry Pratchett On 2019-03-29 3:18 PM, Chloe Kudryavtsev wrote: > On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: > > > - Do the right thing over doing the written thing > > > > What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? > > > > I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing > > to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even > > if the written rules says I shouldn't" The rules don't work independently - this only works when combined with: - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect We have to trust each other to know what the right thing to do is. Someone who would abuse this has clearly betrayed that trust and should be removed from the project. This would be true even if they stayed within the boundaries of the written rules, as I'm sure there are edge cases throughout which can be exploited in bad faith. --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [74.117.190.25]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B4DF84E5D for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C819E03E1; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw (67.63.200.37.customer.cdi.no [37.200.63.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alpine@tanael.org) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B129E9E0367; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 22:29:49 +0200 From: Natanael Copa To: Drew DeVault Cc: Chloe Kudryavtsev , alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190401222949.730488cc@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <20190329192921.GH1192@homura.localdomain> References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329192921.GH1192@homura.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:29:21 -0400 Drew DeVault wrote: > On 2019-03-29 3:18 PM, Chloe Kudryavtsev wrote: > > On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: > > > > - Do the right thing over doing the written thing > > > > > > What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? > > > > > > I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing > > > to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even > > > if the written rules says I shouldn't" > > The rules don't work independently - this only works when combined with: > > - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect > > We have to trust each other to know what the right thing to do is. > Someone who would abuse this has clearly betrayed that trust and should > be removed from the project. This would be true even if they stayed > within the boundaries of the written rules, as I'm sure there are edge > cases throughout which can be exploited in bad faith. I'm just worried about the cases where the right thing is non-obvious or the right thing may be a single answer and we may end up spending time and energy on discussing what the right thing to do is. I'm also worried that it can be misunderstood. Since it may be controversial and already has caused some confusion, I would say that the "right thing" to do here is to remove "the written thing" :) But I do agree with the intention. It should be possible to make exceptions in the "rules" and use common sense if needed. -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.bitmessage.ch (mail.bitmessage.ch [146.228.112.252]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8564F831C4 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:53:13 +0000 (UTC) dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=bitmessage.ch; s=mail; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:References; bh=QeL1Q+TtbqQov0J+zgfsDubWI1cDwsYV0/fmYzbP26I=; b=rlY1KH0iFDF0I2SCV+HZtduB1m1bd43ehMsFYKf0Drek71OSHVghGmIkTz63miwcIWyX1vgKBNFlm/q0Fd8baq5dWwwysfZNhpoyzefKj6Dem861r01N2EdN593+yq9V7BonzdJkwHAPMbUJHH325b5MJontTOHU6I/i1RLbVBU= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (Unknown [62.102.148.67]) by mail.bitmessage.ch with ESMTPSA (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128) ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:52:43 +0100 To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> From: Oliver Smith Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=ollieparanoid@bitmessage.ch; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFkgqFYBEACpmb35WGjNXMOALKSpRaZSLnPSQWMGFS1bVbMl4ugIP4aqQCN4qUeC3DAh 57OajhP9eWwbyeAh9l7G2sJYaiuJOonQsnLdNe4vXLH9r8rpr7EAgv6RsiuShIox7W45z1p6 v3SJQi5W+tayzXAsr1shYHKIhx48xBdDjqxHIvYaoyMTiWqyp4o4W0YlH4MTafuEjW1wANma e9thyyhbdRql2kcLjIAkLNRh7rGI3NT0bJboc5p71srv2TqwbbrMOZtmRo9qPFPUpAt7qFaf aRVaasXiIR+zLHfIoW1g7tlzdLPrW1QVvPNBOIUMA4NqKSWiQxsgzdu7Suydou3Kb4O0FHRv vHdfOkB07uECSZTZSdseIXOu9Ofsi6tD0hhz+7ODqknM9IFlPD32CY/H3uvbw9u5qyDAlaSV 6b1djAVzCgc5zJM/WQx8GbH9ww5i8iG+2b/OSSGQRUOr0wxpXDKuN1gbXwZhtVVa56icKJta bbTyhIZZi2/XNqxPtcZxV9LTZ0+uNXcHelO8g/qFNJX0aCtAfaLwec5OZ1qppjeQ8paos13N JtBnH7U+0OCcH7B4Hc91I6L5qnUHQBC84MqLehw/XSBYEp56NXrRJByn9cVCoqWoD+Og4YCx pn0QboraBbYBg32jP8nEt3IRYWyD7hrU3szH9H+OlpCUHFhzYQARAQABtCpPbGl2ZXIgU21p dGggPG9sbGllcGFyYW5vaWRAYml0bWVzc2FnZS5jaD6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQgJ CgsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQRW6FMNtYvcgBJX9fBa5/VRPgiFywUCWSCsbwAKCRBa5/VRPgiF y5YOEACTnQ9cb6tWuabTUduoi5UV6A1M/CU1ZnCvTVPCu72pfjn1idniAtis0Q25UfAs3FNr 8user54eBfLB9X/6LPU97VeKrOz2j0IVDAneL99YyK2xLw02a0vVDpnhCvP1fZZEtnmt1Z/v DCvU2BKTNV62w3S6ZojKQqS25/gPny06seJW38P7Md7lJNwvwsjiL/j29REWRI1SYUI1N3OG +tSVWhNNGXNaYSLpGh481JAbp7o+xb+e9Gl+PSIyu2uThAjYcKLm32yorrK8VGMUzqf/FN1z 9VLQWWMMTA/NFwj+HQaaFoEnUu9H2Epw/Vcz4sGanhv/Fjc3QeRfiUbCAdqFtCE1iDfmYvX+ gODyJi2xpQ2MLTS6DOL5J3JXOIBRHPkjsDl6vuxxxjzLhWUbn4PpU/fNYap2dp1A19IH2IxR Ka7ClzYI8wrxW7APjbP/Ii9Md6KXTJWLQ+RGsQ8LvOTPVMXzdmqCLe3SwgSrGH9xr4pNm8qf PAclsuWlqyEEdWFj5080m98ZJgU0A1yHH95bmrWmhugaAydEC/uTc2tSMYrqRWzL12bAGBig 493Vx3I9it6fECVSPdWEw7KwqK2J10X4lvryODAzg4biPnOVFQeR9Nup/HBPWv7u3oFefl+7 1QENkMD1AIVhtrT0NMRO8qlsd8KhbVVCQTxfsWEVnbkCDQRZIKhWARAAtnQOhY4KQwU4io++ WxmiNIKuvA5lzMDugBCK/EcY8hNjVh3L2JjgJ1izwcL2mWaUL384tyBODoAAwlShDObfc8LN ozIHVr0JOoblFPR6Jzi9WVq0dquqvqd8ZQu2AXiSjvyvqlqlmX3+/+duSqGa6/p/fYorpCmt TIkGI9CEB8ZabEtlj/rA09QhMnlkHEM9pPtzuUDhddxx7qJ6qFwtp2+WGT7Cd4fHKrnk5Yfw G4RxubxsFkC/3ekO/hmnqkDhM7xTOR7e5+3EHaRoYDAW6DD+QfhLnPFtSLl71G7mzQ9unvM/ H6lWtZLb4SSqOxsNUJwY9FUkqLWnHxeC1xkVNjeRCf0ojobPxmRwG4/uQlE5UNwUolgPzYUU +EbZjtB1TZpD9wVILjkJrkVfdjdGjT3WTuMYbZbF3i63cq2T4jnktfW0zU6LZAsB+sn/Fbka SBQqN39o+1EhjPEJS5sYksPgHxpLyWgPcUaLilFnoTXAJMafj2B8Pq7yNs/izLGbrNIXvByM ZblbkO1SsKmDxYyV4mPDpc6nMVbIMGE5T0HVElBy8nc0kXMrRo2iidm9r2uMdIzTDK4ik8oY aZ1gzPCeL/+rGKA94n6heow5CKJeEb7L22DoPKYVv9JOjLhbZ2+jxZKoCe2NfyRac7PbiDgz tzmks+vzZFmyBSRANrsAEQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBFboUw21i9yAElf18Frn9VE+CIXL BQJZIKx1AAoJEFrn9VE+CIXL84UP/3l/f77Sfn2Ldwh2h+GyK4Em20/BNgnYx5H8lvKFCswd 2yWp4gO92rrmgnfa43Hl3x7/4Afn2WV5/kQwJL41xoJhhi3n3nOxPzXrHRi2eonLzwup09VC hs4Sg4Q7fHeUK+fXyKg7KgUY5LHDoYH6Md8Cuy5Er6st9Xam6daXDmkVVVQ74b2yXMfsW9h8 yBpWjg+JSh68LZf0quevM4iLEq+qZVvRM8lzaDyVs6fAT4iNmaw/+5+RZi7aCH2PLRRIwR4f Ufha/MNo1nupLSnQD16kfB5DHkwbHWp96USVkYHl/lxGN55FjH1dP5TBfgAsurCjmxWxZTQp S+sqivEElg4j7+rpIOLCugskq8EN0Hv7j9nOaov7iB/BzubT9XHqy518/IQ0UAaNPgowpvx7 ISd9QXpMhTSeETVgLTv4SaoZZqE2UUKVVkbF5RAt2ykF/4Iow2UEX9nyg0g3g5LW82zV6xyG m+XdIAoRawBe1vcS0xHfysfqEK23YTpQC4Q69yfjHknaA6rK8rvPrQJK34JWMICes6A91RpA 51CsEVUZTIha6nkIRF2aOdZaC2NeVhbYX66YEERV2EA5Wy7Fi5ES/7/mhQRkqCj6r6Zw2Py3 fUwz07s/NcFvqkrICZDTmCH4jydV6jUgLwzw4uf82HKwmQxPvyw1XWaK9fXUMON2 Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20874338-c836-6082-55e9-98a027e60921@bitmessage.ch> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:53:00 +0000 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Overall I'd add my ACK. Chloe Kudryavtsev: > How about the following?: >> - - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. >> + - To build a friendly, productive and sustainable community that > does not depend on any singular entity. I would prefer to have this addition. Regarding "Do the right thing over doing the written thing". What is the written thing? If it is the rules outlined in the initial post, then I don't see a valid reason to go against these rules. Chloe also wrote: > On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: >>> - Do the right thing over doing the written thing >> >> What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? >> >> I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing >> to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even >> if the written rules says I shouldn't" > > The axioms involved are as such: > - There is always a correct course of action, based on the project goals. > - It is possible to identify this course of action. > - This course of action could, in theory, require breaking an existing rule or policy. > > Under the latter conditions, the idea here is to allow people to do said correct thing without (necessarily) waiting on consensus. IMHO that makes it more complicated than necessary. I don't think that the Alpine team would deadlock itself because of a rule they made earlier that does not hold up anymore. So I would rather remove the "Do the right thing..." line. With that being said, I don't have a whole lot of experience in writing/reviewing such community rules. Regards, Oliver --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.toastin.space (mail.toastin.space [207.246.93.162]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C400F84D03 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.toastin.space (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7c209636 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=toastin.space; h=subject :to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=ml; bh=eaSzgmBRwSbH9h ltt9C9fqukTTA=; b=OmeGIXm4Jpvc3/KSrGPp0Xv8xBcFrIXt7dfwZKeK+PUBha JvRVwkEtg0aeeoQoJYVTrq2OWiYs0B8DtGRYs5qd5Z5J3CPN/N96yYYe1LzBmZ8H EOokKC6t0acLOM2ik3tSrCgIJu79aK1ceAmspvKg+UoaTdcFBp2DAY4JgCZcOg8/ OiZ72lb9Fe3zB5ZjWXpgnHcgmmml3dAizLRatOtAe59+JION7B6XibPOT0Yu19uj EEjRjNo7maRpOlqQFC8ym+kK2PxTNmqfijcCnye3O+S8UwFSe21QIU+Aez5uSiCj /5xGcEuWDSiyDPv5ho2P4lT7N70KpMZ1hlsfl5yg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=toastin.space; h=subject:to :references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=ml; b=jgo2HhIK Om/KCu966pMAcJDTLdboVX0jzPFXAqto8Y/jikrydsI2k7ZWlX2SMOJxGh7l5nzw wSOD0iOj6UBuXK649YrbFzJmmfkmvr9/9Z4FS2SXWNSjP3tQ8enQyGTIfq32MSAO qHMg8p1DeIi1PM0TFlnJcHVPK7Z4YbR4eObxJJsUjpvB8kmmRABCyWiI8PT+tbU3 cqKp5rW2O/+Mm9PR0qXTMZKfCRjEFSe6I3hUtOt0OyLbopfxVFz0qAHTpXnjwytn g82z6oF5q/4neCGrwu57MpqEDBoEoju2XwwqwtCOrRGzVtlXhtFS2xnM9HFoKIqr /H6RGNle6VN5yw== Received: from [192.168.0.135] (173-246-15-165.qc.cable.ebox.net [173.246.15.165]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 8e000557 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20874338-c836-6082-55e9-98a027e60921@bitmessage.ch> From: Chloe Kudryavtsev Message-ID: <6144cee5-0aac-b08d-11b6-83eeb7ba7016@toastin.space> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:42:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:66.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/66.0 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20874338-c836-6082-55e9-98a027e60921@bitmessage.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/30/2019 5:53 PM, Oliver Smith wrote: > Regarding "Do the right thing over doing the written thing". What is the > written thing? If it is the rules outlined in the initial post, then I > don't see a valid reason to go against these rules. We're in the process of trying to re-organize internal structure. This is done for a variety of reasons (for instance, due to the internal process, PRs can take exorbitant amounts of time to get through) - and the goal of the re-organization is to improve that. The path towards that has ended up being through a change in governance model (decentralizing efforts and avoiding bottlenecks, among other things). While this process has been public (in that everything that happened is available to the public (including comments), and a few callouts have been made), no full/finalized proposal has been sent in for ratification yet. In order to expedite the conversation, we decided to add project goals, as well as guiding principles. This way parts (or, ideally, all) of the proposal could be justified through them, thus defeating any arguments ahead of time. The example given was someone that would push for harsher conditions under the impression that that would create higher efficiency. In short, the "written thing" would be the (longer) contents of the new governance and organization proposal. > Chloe also wrote: >> On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: >> The axioms involved are as such: >> - There is always a correct course of action, based on the project goals. >> - It is possible to identify this course of action. >> - This course of action could, in theory, require breaking an existing rule or policy. >> >> Under the latter conditions, the idea here is to allow people to do said correct thing without (necessarily) waiting on consensus. > > IMHO that makes it more complicated than necessary. I don't think that > the Alpine team would deadlock itself because of a rule they made > earlier that does not hold up anymore. So I would rather remove the "Do > the right thing..." line. One of the side effects we want (and foresee) of the re-organization is a higher influx of contributors *with* git access (but not necessarily git access to most/everything). While the bar for inclusion would be relatively high (decent volumes of prior good work), once you have access you would be expected to handle PRs, which inherently would require a sort of decentralized decision making. This *can* cause deadlock (mostly because it's not a "single" alpine team anymore), and the idea is to allow for an acceleration of resolving potentially problematic situations, in which it's the obviously correct thing to do (even if, say, it breaks a specific policy in an unexpected way). This has, however, been the most discussed and controversial principle. For more details as to where and why it came from, see Drew Devault's latest email (he was the one that suggested its inclusion). --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.bitmessage.ch (mail.bitmessage.ch [146.228.112.252]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C539DF8147F for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 23:54:14 +0000 (UTC) dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=bitmessage.ch; s=mail; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:References; bh=fmua6CK3YpsCDhO1BV88BG0P3v9XgDjUlGK9x6Xu8Kg=; b=LXD4N6UY+d6dGQzI3cOIFgnXQDvo1HJdMJXXHr2F/KAQdqhubPro08caaiM8KA/q3c9v1QZOKIeAjvt3lqn29jlUBm49aea1HmwAsFESnIxENULiHgYaMY7eKQ0A26lgZUvN2nNH+ZMMQTE3Hnw95qULa1o7mcZIufKWIFBqe70= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (Unknown [185.100.85.132]) by 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with ESMTPSA id 4CE149E0367; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 22:00:55 +0200 From: Natanael Copa To: Chloe Kudryavtsev Cc: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org, Drew DeVault Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190401220055.1c755781@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:18:26 -0400 Chloe Kudryavtsev wrote: > How about the following?: > > - - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. > > + - To build a friendly, productive and sustainable community that > does not depend on any singular entity. I wonder if it would been enough with: "To maintain a friendly, productive and sustainable community within." But I guess your wording makes it clearer what "sustainable" means. I think its good unless someone else has better suggestion. -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com (mail-ed1-f47.google.com [209.85.208.47]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EA3F816F5 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id d55so7921931ede.0 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 08:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1D0BjFofHPoy/7ZNYVgCxp2c4GxhiSw/N+jNo+Zqp5c=; b=S6TN+b6KUsW5py+qOTAuAxI21/TK7ABeFVFKrh2uhHZpZAFClMCbPlq2bmJJhKQyHy 7wQHCYNalhxBuFGuK9EsW6zcvFnIzorKjypU8k3SMWeK7Fsti7HEkJ27hfTycIfWGrGh 98/DWuDN0UOcF4ENu5L7Evo1oExe80YenWRd+UPrbT9s+La7rn2g9Bjt7eZewbHqeQjB iHrhzHntY5HUGQU9Cc/Ijp7HT1BFAUT4hz3ZQo+yG4Qeg6MfYBjtMdOnU3bMbLmjaTh3 rw16mhGxv3IG8vGairQMymd8+asQcJfhjeyWV1mROx6Du4c6E99Q6/EsYog/v05OeSDr DKGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWF51XzBDgXQeFl6IFMzPbdQm2KPwbGM0/3UJSxkdNUZvxlZlnX SOwrCXUMMPhSiFFWFJsI5A4e5E+NCeO1+fHF0tw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw8w+YaAyg+4ofCIGLpwuYVKnDWFpBBtCdqyx7DR6u8BUUV5ScGki2fZ5QI9z8CsWkuuop61NpuzV+LZI3EYSQ= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d316:: with SMTP id p22mr2813528edq.170.1555083474327; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 08:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: From: Richard Mortier Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:37:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: Chloe Kudryavtsev Cc: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org, Natanael Copa , Drew DeVault Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 19:24, Chloe Kudryavtsev wrote: > ... > The intention (slightly longer) is documented above, so let's discuss > the intent, and if anyone comes up with better wording, it can be > substituted in. Observing subsequent discussion over the wording of this point, I wonder whether the prior bullets (particularly the one just above, "Empower motivated people ...") already captures that intent? On the basis that, if the written thing is not the right thing then it probably ought to be rewritten, and that if the other principles are being adhered to then people in the community will be doing the right things anyway, whatever is written. (But I think this is definitely tweaking details -- based on the explanations given I'm not against the last bullet, just not sure it's strictly necessary :) > How about the following?: > > - - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. > > + - To build a friendly, productive and sustainable community that > does not depend on any singular entity. I think adding something explicit about sustainability, meaning avoiding dependence on too small a set of people, seems sensible. -- Richard Mortier mort@cantab.net --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D2FF83172 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by sdaoden.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B87C616054; Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:38:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:39:20 +0100 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Alpine Development Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190330203920.fqR7L%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> Mail-Followup-To: Alpine Development User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.13-32-g7e84ad8b OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: Natanael Copa wrote in <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw>: ... |== Project Goals |- To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose | Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security, | simplicity and resource efficiency. That is totally and completely "cool". |- To maintain a friendly and productive community within. | |=== Guiding Principles |- Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect |- Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project |- Empower motivated people to effect change and progress I cannot say anything to that, let alone good. patchwork is a mess, work of honourable people is laughed about, if i look what happens to the bmake port. I mean, he has invented veriexec and other really impressive things, and maintains that over decades. And it works millions of times a day, or likely even more often. If a port is not desired, at all or by one person, then it should be said so. |- Do the right thing over doing the written thing Very nice, very nice. And even better: a nice weekend --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com (mail-vs1-f45.google.com [209.85.217.45]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E4EF84D1A for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id f15so5503569vsk.9 for ; Mon, 01 Apr 2019 06:50:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=sfQ1lZqdE33pDeXnERsFqjiOYk3ErqQL3aZY/lwjEcc=; b=BKG3mGpr9MQf3Oazvlr9R7EJkuFSFs2Hbf0Sg0M5aqJqhh+qpYahZhscVXfAZPZlhB FORVuEqxzLDNIO1zsgG6Zu4MIY6zSvqmmVcXmAZKbSZ9UZGVw/3hiwnEtW/a7pASn0aF 0CpQ8eoC0VyvNALHbT9cSJg66u9FnJgznZct2CrLerVadRnyens66IZcHmbedY/InW41 /aPhUVpeTugr6Mozyg3/1UviEEwdAlA9sv006vUyuulNiQjUAw9yc7+wG+EUD8HOKcK4 mFrSjAYPHcIzzH5onZXbcwJG1afbnYTcFKiPNyk1z9rIgAViADghwxUsO6fM7GQja+L2 wACQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sfQ1lZqdE33pDeXnERsFqjiOYk3ErqQL3aZY/lwjEcc=; b=YWSY/MMGgVwwrEI2IxPgl4cDbYpzGVM5fYXUXprVir5fN4J9nRJdvmZXZ4ufz8IJ39 jZRKqtZVUbz3lUZ7ajcHAuzSeqW/MJRjunLaCu0IVSHc2IaKwNdJS3EXU9GJfalV2FaL KDYETyBBxkhVJ7eosAin2qQ0uutIzEFhhJC2CwvylN8GZxGn9D7/yFMxSBCkcPE4xQkC W4al9jSvof79P2pMtkFvlmu7oJgKzaTzV3kh4s01j8VJKRlyT5/ZZYbuA0t96kP5DK6Z 5Pw0ZvreN+XFMnDSYN7Whc7/FMB7F2EK/GmEhmypG98+071/XdSzfYUN6DNWhuwjLF+S wlgw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWfmF28tGCXOUlbVyoGfzFt3q7zAspMr2iOMIeH5H67UfmsS6nI gLfG66m7TBubyVyF/4UD9LtI0Ahkx+8cufEUW3o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy4Dg/CLDc2DZAbVzxBQi4BXpZP5rJzS034Ol60DSAN5b9fIiCOus9jBXlTJhlvv8LTfYf4Ab2Ye/HSbkohKmo= X-Received: by 2002:a67:8e85:: with SMTP id q127mr17033229vsd.50.1554126607707; Mon, 01 Apr 2019 06:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> From: Leonardo Arena Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:49:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: Natanael Copa Cc: Alpine Development Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006373190585784c8b" --0000000000006373190585784c8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:41 AM Natanael Copa wrote: > Hi! > > We would like to revise and formalize how we are organized. The current > way we are written in those two emails: > > https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6024.html > https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6025.html > > Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort of > consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding > principles. Since this affects everyone involved in the project I > invite everyone to comment. > > Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful. > > This is the current proposal: > > == Project Goals > - To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose > Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security, > simplicity and resource efficiency. > - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. > > === Guiding Principles > - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect > - Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project > - Empower motivated people to effect change and progress > - Do the right thing over doing the written thing > > ack --0000000000006373190585784c8b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:41 AM Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org> wrote:
Hi!

We would like to revise and formalize how we are organized. The current
way we are written in those two emails:

https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6024.= html
https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6025.= html

Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort of
consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding
principles. Since this affects everyone involved in the project I
invite everyone to comment.

Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful.

This is the current proposal:

=3D=3D Project Goals
- To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose
=C2=A0 Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security,=
=C2=A0 simplicity and resource efficiency.
- To maintain a friendly and productive community within.

=3D=3D=3D Guiding Principles
- Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect
- Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project
- Empower motivated people to effect change and progress
- Do the right thing over doing the written thing


ack

--0000000000006373190585784c8b-- --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [74.117.190.25]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C7F84CDE for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D849E0370 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yavin4.bsod.eu (unknown [172.21.190.5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: francesco@bsod.eu) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 500779E0363 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:27:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 14:27:20 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: RainLoop/1.12.1 From: "Francesco Colista" Message-ID: <302ab8270f4a21f37481525c5821bc05@alpinelinux.org> Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: "Alpine Development" In-Reply-To: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> ACK=0A=0A.: Francesco Colista=0A=0AMarch 29, 2019 9:40 AM, "Natanael Copa= " wrote:=0A=0A> Hi!=0A> =0A> We would like to rev= ise and formalize how we are organized. The current=0A> way we are writte= n in those two emails:=0A> =0A> https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-deve= l/6024.html=0A> https://lists.alpinelinux.org/alpine-devel/6025.html=0A> = =0A> Before we start discuss specific rules I would like to get some sort= of=0A> consensus of the bigger picture, the project goals and guiding=0A= > principles. Since this affects everyone involved in the project I=0A> i= nvite everyone to comment.=0A> =0A> Even short responses with "ACK" is he= lpful.=0A> =0A> This is the current proposal:=0A> =0A> =3D=3D Project Goa= ls=0A> - To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general pu= rpose=0A> Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate secu= rity,=0A> simplicity and resource efficiency.=0A> - To maintain a friendl= y and productive community within.=0A> =0A> =3D=3D=3D Guiding Principles= =0A> - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respe= ct=0A> - Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the pr= oject=0A> - Empower motivated people to effect change and progress=0A> - = Do the right thing over doing the written thing=0A> =0A> Thanks!=0A> =0A>= -nc=0A> =0A> ---=0A> Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinel= inux.org=0A> Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org=0A> --- --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:51:58 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com (mail-ed1-f47.google.com [209.85.208.47]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFDCF85513 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id k45so8709871edb.6 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1kulXSduDBkD56zrNPxOmJMOhI3GVkx5gvcgYR1IirQ=; b=KktmubNPPiInzUiBozCafJYSUwJZy0QzZ+/LfXW307WIgKzdi+F+vqMiEgpXZ2RT5z 6ROnPXdWcvHjJhvGisEP7zh5fK2Q9zAEg5GLUHnS3P8FE57FN7YnvrhEIxLC7iposB+r 70eyL2QNwooSd24LSvL0795ESkhv6PogOjYw/iuxyiOzPXcu5D1cjRazLTeFMVqt8+Hs TSX5RTn25qPw0zqmerEf7IdIwEwooTEEl7756rDV/MeOuE/CrGWr/HCyH4FeI+nc1q7M AEDmHcKet9ecWuHjj102x1Um2TXKpDQaqhyYwLh+XzYlEqYy1+BMUsN4Ap16hiJgMDT4 kBrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVVw1BV6XKMud5/CeaZaj0CFgZxsl80/XTRom3WAoLl0v3czroe XiLP7CwcixOCAo/zI7JFRPCVjDYpNN96OkCLZra0KSL+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyrLxdMVAKBfT+hnQODfHZtT9fJ0HDRYF5uLFpDtvAGzgg8lhibKSIM7GeaNhSu/DFpiaJEX/kubhl/pda6wYE= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:ca07:: with SMTP id y7mr4114946eds.149.1555083389330; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> From: Richard Mortier Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:36:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: Natanael Copa Cc: Alpine Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 08:49, Natanael Copa wrote: > > ...Even short responses with "ACK" is helpful. > > This is the current proposal: > > == Project Goals > - To build and maintain an independent, non-commercial, general purpose > Linux distribution designed for power users who appreciate security, > simplicity and resource efficiency. > - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. > > === Guiding Principles > - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect > - Prevent and respond to abuses of power without disrupting the project > - Empower motivated people to effect change and progress > - Do the right thing over doing the written thing Late to the party and very much a newcomer (I guess I've been lurking for a few months, and have submitted a couple of minor packages / patches) but nonetheless: ACK. (I've followed up later in the thread on a couple of other points.) -- Richard Mortier mort@cantab.net --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---