X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [74.117.190.25]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B4DF84E5D for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C819E03E1; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw (67.63.200.37.customer.cdi.no [37.200.63.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alpine@tanael.org) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B129E9E0367; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 22:29:49 +0200 From: Natanael Copa To: Drew DeVault Cc: Chloe Kudryavtsev , alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles Message-ID: <20190401222949.730488cc@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <20190329192921.GH1192@homura.localdomain> References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329192921.GH1192@homura.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:29:21 -0400 Drew DeVault wrote: > On 2019-03-29 3:18 PM, Chloe Kudryavtsev wrote: > > On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: > > > > - Do the right thing over doing the written thing > > > > > > What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? > > > > > > I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing > > > to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even > > > if the written rules says I shouldn't" > > The rules don't work independently - this only works when combined with: > > - Build a community based on mutual trust, responsibility, and respect > > We have to trust each other to know what the right thing to do is. > Someone who would abuse this has clearly betrayed that trust and should > be removed from the project. This would be true even if they stayed > within the boundaries of the written rules, as I'm sure there are edge > cases throughout which can be exploited in bad faith. I'm just worried about the cases where the right thing is non-obvious or the right thing may be a single answer and we may end up spending time and energy on discussing what the right thing to do is. I'm also worried that it can be misunderstood. Since it may be controversial and already has caused some confusion, I would say that the "right thing" to do here is to remove "the written thing" :) But I do agree with the intention. It should be possible to make exceptions in the "rules" and use common sense if needed. -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---