Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:01:51 +0200
From: Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org>
To: Ariadne Conill <ariadne@dereferenced.org>
Cc: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org
Subject: Re: Proposed system change: ifupdown-ng as default network device
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:54:17 -0600
Ariadne Conill <ariadne@dereferenced.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>=20
> On 2020-08-20 05:16, Ariadne Conill wrote:
> > Hello,
> >=20
> > On 2020-07-28 09:36, Ariadne Conill wrote:
> > [...] =20
> >> * If ifupdown is dropped from BusyBox, the difference in install size
> >> requirement is only 8KB. =20
> >=20
> > It is now up to 13KB, but you get a lot for that 20 KB.
> >  =20
> >> ## Testing
> >>
> >> ifupdown-ng is available in edge right now, in the testing=20
> >> repository.=A0 Simply
> >> do `apk add ifupdown-ng`. =20
> >=20
> > While ifupdown-ng has transitioned to main, we have not yet flipped the=
=20
> > switch.=A0 It would be appreciated if more people test, but based on=20
> > feedback of downstream customers, I believe we are ready to make the=20
> > switch -- so I plan to do so this weekend. =20
>=20
> This has now been implemented with ifupdown-ng 0.8.0-r1, which adds an=20
> install_if on alpine-base.

I'm not sure alpine-base is the thing to hook on. Probably better to
link it with openrc that provides /etc/init.d/networking, which is the
thing that actually uses it. Otherwise even docker images will get it
unless explicitly disabled.

Also, install_if should ideally be linked to a versioned package if
possible, otherwise nasty things may happen if there are multiple
versions of ifupdown-ng repos. They all will want be installed.

Maybe we can solve it with dependencies and provides instead, with
ifupdown-ng with the highest priority.

> If you do not want to use ifupdown-ng, you can get back to busybox=20
> ifupdown or debian ifupdown by using `apk add '!ifupdown-ng'`.
>=20
> However, I intend to remove ifupdown from busybox after 3.13.

I wonder if there are any good reasons to keep busybox ifupdown now.
What stops us from removing busybox ifupdown immediately and add
ifupdown-ng as direct dependency for openrc?

>=20
> Ariadne