From: Shiz <hi@shiz.me>
To: Jakub Jirutka <jakub@jirutka.cz>
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	"alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org" <alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org>
Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Alpine ports layout
Thread-Topic: [alpine-devel] Alpine ports layout
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 15:44:35 +0000
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> On 2 Sep 2017, at 13:09, Jakub Jirutka <jakub@jirutka.cz> wrote:
>=20
> On 1. Sep 2017, at 22:27, C=C3=A1g <ca6c@bitmessage.ch> wrote:
>=20
>>> Does OpenSSH belong in security/, net/, admin/, or something else?
>>=20
>> security. net/ is for dhcpcd/openvpn/vnc kind of stuff. admin/ =
doesn't
>> even exist in Net/OpenBSDs.
>=20
> Why? This is just arbitrary decision, it=E2=80=99s not obvious nor =
intuitive. On Gentoo, I usually remember package name, but not the =
category, so I must always look in what damn category the package is =
located.

I=E2=80=99d like to add to this that I think security is possibly the =
worst category
out of the given choices to put this in. OpenSSH=E2=80=99s purpose is =
not primarily
security =E2=80=94 its primary purpose is administering a system =
remotely, security
is simply a bycoming necessity for that.

>> Anyway, if there would be a heated discussion on where a port whould =
be
>> placed, we can look at BSDs and simply copy. Take a quick glance at
>> pkgsrc.se, I think the way the ports are organised is sane.
>=20
> Alpine Linux is not BSD. If you want BSD=E2=80=99s repository layout, =
use BSD.

This is really not an argument on its own, as we take plenty of cues =
from BSD.
I like categorisation too but I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if it would fit =
for us, however.

> Again, Alpine is not BSD and it=E2=80=99d be quite silly to blindly =
adopt practices from BSD, especially in packaging (I=E2=80=99ve never =
heard anything positive about packaging on BSD even from BSD users=E2=80=A6=
)

For the record, I have, and also from Gentoo=E2=80=99s packaging system =
which takes cues
from BSD as well.

- Shiz

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