From: Bart Ribbers <bribbers@disroot.org>
To: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org
Subject: Re: [3.15] System change proposal: rename the Alpine 3.15 release to Alpine 15
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 13:17:31 +0200
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From: Bart Ribbers <bribbers@disroot.org>
To: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org
Subject: Re: [3.15] System change proposal: rename the Alpine 3.15 release to Alpine 15
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 13:17:31 +0200
Message-ID: <2865634.x7l71cJiAP@spaceblade>
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Hi,

On Friday, 9 April 2021 13:03:26 CEST Konstantin Kulikov wrote:
> Please consider using dates for versions, like ubuntu. Every time I
> hear "buster", "big sur", "lollipop" or "freebsd 12" I have no idea if
> the person is talking about recent version or a dated one.

We currently do this at postmarketOS (which is based on Alpine Linux). We had 
a stable release of 20.05 which was made in May in 2020. We just released 
21.03 which was made in March in 2021. Both are based on stable releases of 
Alpine Linux (20.05 == 3.12 Alpine and 21.03 == 3.13 Alpine).

I will +1 this suggestion as it's not just more clear for everyone using 
Alpine, it's also more  clear for people using postmarketOS.

> 
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 5:31 AM Ariadne Conill <ariadne@dereferenced.org> 
wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Alpine has traditionally used the major version to represent the current
> > ABI version the system uses.  For example, Alpine 1.x was uClibc without
> > NPTL, Alpine 2.x was uClibc with NPTL and Alpine 3.x is based on musl.
> > 
> > With the current ABI being evergreen, and our having moved past the 3.14
> > release, it no longer makes sense to keep the 3.x designation.  When this
> > was previously proposed, the primary request was to postpone this
> > discussion until after Alpine 3.14 release.  With the Alpine 3.14 release
> > imminent, I believe now is a time to bring this up again.
> > 
> > An argument could have been made to jump to Alpine 4.x with apk-tools 3,
> > but we have decided to implement apk-tools 3 out in a way that is
> > non-disruptive.  So that argument is now moot, as well.
> > 
> > ## Benefits to Alpine
> > 
> > As the `3.` part of the version is now effectively meaningless, it is
> > helpful to downstream consumers of Alpine to have a simplified versioning
> > scheme.  For example, postmarketOS can say "based on Alpine 15" instead of
> > "Alpine 3.15" which sounds better.
> > 
> > Yes, to be brutally honest, this is an entirely marketing-related thing,
> > and there is no technical benefit either way.  However, this versioning
> > scheme is more aligned with other Linux distributions.
> > 
> > ## Implementation Plan
> > 
> > Set the version of `alpine-base` to `15_alphaXXXXXXXX` instead of
> > `3.15_alphaXXXXXXXX`.
> > 
> > ## Contingency Plan
> > 
> > If we decide we don't want to do this, we just downgrade `alpine-base`
> > back to `3.15_alphaXXXXXXXX`.
> > 
> > Ariadne

Bart

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