From nobody Thu Mar 28 12:03:24 2024 Received: from out0.migadu.com (out0.migadu.com [94.23.1.103]) by nld3-dev1.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0CBB782B60 for <~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 01:47:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dereferenced.org; s=default; t=1591926459; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mNUvGnmYYvLB4UJNGhei15OTCm2gXevZodc5D3yhD7o=; b=f+fh/X5u81sqdYxY1UzwGhFkygdjkjUPbLV4H2swGcVKY2FHgrZfrPSmrbh762JXgeZ0h/ TK0CnxUfB+5xy79ccPJivtDDnP45EBGMEYjIr8xHBMYVHtMN9DMp2GiyVtNZSrjAkZQKDx a85hobemOGa6NLYhctNrdu2nGEjqwn8= From: Ariadne Conill To: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Moderation in IRC channels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 19:47:34 -0600 Message-ID: <2982351.IqFZyr3sfq@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.90 Hello, Lately we have had some moderation issues in #alpine-linux which result from the current moderators of that channel being in Europe time. It would behoove us to add additional folks with moderation access to the channels, so we can deal with this 24x7. In the interim, it has been suggested to add the freenode-staff user to the access lists so that they can assist in moderation issues as well. How do we move forward on this? Ariadne From nobody Thu Mar 28 12:03:24 2024 Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [66.245.176.36]) by nld3-dev1.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04BA6782B74 for <~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 09:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10E4B3A7A; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 09:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw (67.63.200.37.customer.cdi.no [37.200.63.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alpine@tanael.org) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E56A0B3A79; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 09:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 11:37:20 +0200 From: Natanael Copa To: Ariadne Conill Cc: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Re: Moderation in IRC channels Message-ID: <20200612113720.0a897b16@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> In-Reply-To: <2982351.IqFZyr3sfq@localhost> References: <2982351.IqFZyr3sfq@localhost> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 19:47:34 -0600 Ariadne Conill wrote: > Hello, > > Lately we have had some moderation issues in #alpine-linux which result from > the current moderators of that channel being in Europe time. > > It would behoove us to add additional folks with moderation access to the > channels, so we can deal with this 24x7. Agree. this is urgent. > In the interim, it has been suggested to add the freenode-staff user to the > access lists so that they can assist in moderation issues as well. > > How do we move forward on this? Any suggestions? I would like to have someone with social skills, who is neutral, and who is not afraid of set up and say enough is enough when needed. Preferable someone with a history without too much conflicts. I suggest programmerq, who said this on IRC: > I know I don't participate in the actual alpine > development stuff, but I've been an op on another channel for several > years. Adding #alpine-linux to my list of stuff to keep an eye on would > be trivial. Another candidate would be Ariadne, who I know is not afraid of take action when needed, but I'm worried that Ariadne may not be seen as a neutral participant. -nc From nobody Thu Mar 28 12:03:24 2024 Received: from out1.migadu.com (out1.migadu.com [91.121.223.63]) by nld3-dev1.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86655782CE2 for <~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:21:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dereferenced.org; s=default; t=1591989669; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=FCs2ilCqV27P6bXjCDy/xL9ECZrlMXtuJsIzHqVlsLE=; b=G/6WNOC7EW0i/CnETaQrhxhtDdN7CCoO1pqtXqR1JoxEZj5C5oN0fxh9I5MLqmZ0K3xDGb wwkTxb4d0K5XcHgfuuerwxxKbd4NjzpcF4Q58TPWEXZowkTHB075Z9HmhbJEU26cNMsty8 fQbBHeiOTX5/y8pffttmV1IOwWKo3ZY= From: Ariadne Conill To: Natanael Copa Cc: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Re: Moderation in IRC channels Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 13:21:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1979513.q4d85KMkOx@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20200612113720.0a897b16@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> References: <2982351.IqFZyr3sfq@localhost> <20200612113720.0a897b16@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.90 Hello, On Friday, June 12, 2020 3:37:20 AM MDT Natanael Copa wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 19:47:34 -0600 > > Ariadne Conill wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Lately we have had some moderation issues in #alpine-linux which result > > from the current moderators of that channel being in Europe time. > > > > It would behoove us to add additional folks with moderation access to the > > channels, so we can deal with this 24x7. > > Agree. this is urgent. > > > In the interim, it has been suggested to add the freenode-staff user to > > the > > access lists so that they can assist in moderation issues as well. > > > > How do we move forward on this? > > Any suggestions? I would like to have someone with social skills, who > is neutral, and who is not afraid of set up and say enough is enough > when needed. Preferable someone with a history without too much > conflicts. I mean, in general I don't think our code of conduct requires any serious ideological commitment, it basically boils down to "don't be a dick." So, really anyone who is willing to moderate and is level-headed would be good. > > I suggest programmerq, who said this on IRC: > > I know I don't participate in the actual alpine > > development stuff, but I've been an op on another channel for several > > years. Adding #alpine-linux to my list of stuff to keep an eye on would > > be trivial. programmerq would be a good start I think. He seems pretty level headed. > Another candidate would be Ariadne, who I know is not afraid of take > action when needed, but I'm worried that Ariadne may not be seen as a > neutral participant. I'm not particularly interested in handling day to day moderation in alpine channels as I do not have the time or energy to deal with that, but would be willing to act as an emergency point of contact as I am doing right now anyway. It would just be desirable to have more tools available than waiting for the behaviour to get to the point where freenode is obligated to intervene due to their own ToS being violated. In general, I think all Alpine developers (as in those who have developer privileges, e.g. can push packages without review) should be able to op themselves in an emergency, even if they do not handle day to day moderation. That would go a long way, I think. Ariadne