X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.201]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8868B5C5489 for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 17:15:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([178.0.41.59]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus002 [74.208.5.15]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MSupv-1dYdsm3KsP-00Rmzg for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 19:15:50 +0200 From: 7heo <7heo@mail.com> Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Code of Cond To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org References: Message-ID: <3959305e-ad90-7efb-4879-3acc6e111caf@mail.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 19:15:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:HS/Vdhj/E3egkGSnp/Y3Ob7h9ZeOhhv7erIXCXw76S+v53J7aiM fv0SVcEOfC+OQZpHAh/VgzxCdfwbBRVCDFYp0Wd70jEiCuZEOC1gDeUSG1oxEzvTS7xj5uX gdt5qeFFJnA95EqFdknsASdqsy3hyMX31q16Q0JEBD1yO+2uPrCbBAO7/2thYgiQMTh6Bk1 NZtgnP7osnUU1DLXnq6Rg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:J/QNyylj9ik=:CZoqYirHz8XTrx61zZZ5OR FTv00zML2XfoVcZ8V93+TNBi0O6gsgO873OL/x4Ce3gXQL/cgvRXry5kSyY9aYggiPYd6QrXb Jg8nfsYkHZZOUlupP1X6Vu9+8lshavLGaeNtdYLRborHhcNAEsTzgs6FHkOxxfYsMxVSGsMCa L+KJRt+hA74Ifgn6407xzj/bHbosX7eI6DYHCzBD8N0maxSNGV7Mt3XLpe4/IAfpiI/+68pog QIsSSnZYZrQNXso3hlyqlWYhfGbWm9UVMVSwLsqHOYAjIopMRrF1kQdQ3gMt/aFRUaHp4hORA ZKyGuaoEQ9suCJ+435Nja8ihUDyP91X2fZDZebk5PxfXq0tM1+jcPvRkXIzs9CPxgyG+woF1J 5Dl20M3h91KNSWMHpcsKflJHaCOS8Uyud4z3Q/7wWUh1/yUC73wCtoaPY1EQZ9qUeXuMuO6jv xGmTOPleX27wAPye2i7d3s10yzyFZ6tanjLoenwoRQs3FZafbIN2QXQUHMdMNujlpK+A2M3Ez ZMpVbaxTdAaPXD7eC8Ev7GuOFnMvtuoEWts9fQWr3ofwIs2N47Cm1d21YlAPmZEJN6wG/NUTb 4Ck1YbhdolUbjPFOjwTiwtukdt2fyFpHQaLX9YLGW0GcKS8jtoTKmng7vAYiJI0QsSQw3MzZa XEFgslwNTYpxCKfCuAHbNLjv8S7/B/wavHSewVecrfTlqr47xSbF1oS0v69Rj7DypJPGv3g2W JxBcdqEDDlH4vUCmK8Cv2Nyl1i0qeG8af6PEY+kUIMYYdzHz5mwpObFOnGYQOVhSJ7/ZJf6HQ XJHKu5i Hey Ed, Please look at the new version - you've not been the only one requesting a change of point 3. The thread is under a new subject: "Code of Conduct" Cheers, Theo. On 5/12/2017 4:58 PM, Ed Robinson wrote: > I am broadly in agreement with this. I especially like that it basically > assumes that we can all be trusted to do the right thing, and that some > broad guidelines of don't personally attack people or be super > unprofessional are clearly enough. > > I would probably just drop point number 3 in the hope that we in the > community can be trusted to have some common sense over the issue. > While I agree with the sentiment, it is likely to attract the wrong sort > of attention from people who would find such words incendiary. If you > want to keep it, I would suggest dropping the phrase "nor giving weapons > to so called social justice warriors", I can think of more than one > person who would take that the wrong way... > > Anyway, thanks for doing this. > > Ed > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:49 PM, 7heo <7heo@mail.com > > wrote: > > Hey people, > > a few of us have been discussing every now and then the possibility > of ever needing a CoC. > > Following an exchange of opinions with some of the long-time Alpine > developers today, I decided to come up with a CoC asap, for two reasons: > > 1. Abuses in the community would have an objective ground to be > fought on. > 2. Nobody could then come claiming we do not have a CoC and present > us with a much more harmful and complex alternative (as it has been > the case in many open source projects already) > > Here goes my proposal (followed by explanations for each point), > loosely based on the proposals from the PostgreSQL mailing list: > > Alpine (AKA Alpine-Linux and Alpine-OS) Code of Conduct (CoC) > ============================================================= > > 1. This CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and > enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place > for any person who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, > productive and collaborative way. > > 2. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is > free of personal attacks and disparaging remarks of any kind, > including, but not limited to, racial, ethnic, gender-related, > religious, political, sexual-orientation related slur. > > 3. This CoC is not about being offended, nor giving weapons to so > called social justice warriors. One should always assume good > intentions. As with any diverse community, anyone would otherwise > eventually get offended at something. > > 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing > lists, IRC etc.) or other Alpine events shall be construed as a > violation of this CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the > Alpine community moderators. > > 5. Any amendment made to this CoC should be approved by all Alpine > developers (i.e. all people who have commit rights on the repositories). > > 6. The CoC is only about interaction with the Alpine community. Your > private and public lives outside of the Alpine community are your > own. Any issue arising outside of the Alpine community and not > directly technically related with the Alpine maintained software > shall neither be discussed nor arbitrated within the community. > > ---- > > Explanations: > > 1. Alpine is about contribution first, community second. The > community only exists for the sole purpose of contributing together > to Alpine. Not the other way around. > > 2. Such an contribution-welcoming environment can only happen when > people leave their personal different at the door. Toxic behavior > (like personal attacks) have no place in our community. i.e.: "Your > work sucks" is fine while "you suck" isn't. > > 3. The FOSS community has recently seen a drastic increase of > lobbying for exclusion, and censoring attempts, against some > contributors, from certain groups. Offensive and toxic behavior > within the community will be dealt with according to point two. > Offensive and toxic behavior outside of it will be ignored according > to point six. > > 4. As explained in point one, the main and foremost goal of our > community is to support contribution. Anything threatening or > impeding contribution is therefore directly harming the primary goal > of our mailing lists and IRC channels; and has to be prevented. > > 5. Again, as explained in point one, the goal of the community is > contribution. This CoC, discussing it, and all the work related to > it are wasted time in regards to the technical progress. This > requirement is meant as a discussion deterrent, as it will be > pointless to discuss any proposal to the CoC as soon as one > developer disagrees. > > 6. We do not care if you torture kittens or beat up puppies outside > of our community. As long as you are keeping things separated, we will. > > ---- > > I hope I made it well enough that we do not have to spend too much > time discussing it. > > Theo. > > > --- > Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org > > Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org > > --- > > --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---