Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Code of Conduct
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From: 7heo <7heo@mail.com>
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Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 19:18:14 +0200
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Breno Leitao makes a good point about the language barrier; and I will 
be thinking of a way to re-add the "good faith" point without giving too 
much space for it to be a loophole.

On 5/13/2017 7:11 PM, 7heo wrote:
> Dear Laurent,
>
> I am glad that what I understood from what you wrote wasn't what you
> meant. I am sorry for the misinterpretation.
>
> I couldn't agree more with your suggestion for the addition to point 4.
>
> I will then proceed to ask my friends, and the friends of friends, who
> are (but not only) related, or directly in LGBT groups and minorities.
>
> Here is the most recent draft, with the current additions and redaction:
>
> Alpine (AKA Alpine-Linux and Alpine-OS) Code of Conduct (CoC)
> =============================================================
>
> 1. This CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and
> enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for
> any person who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful,
> productive and collaborative way. It is especially not meant as an
> exhaustive law, to automate moderation, or to prevent thinking.
>
> 2. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
> of personal attacks, doxing, and disparaging remarks of any kind,
> including, but not limited to, racial, ethnic, gender-related,
> religious, political, sexual-orientation related slur.
>
> 3. This CoC does not condone nor excuse censorship; or the exclusion of
> those acting in good faith towards Alpine. Censorship should never
> happen unless required by law.
>
> 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists,
> IRC etc.) or other Alpine events shall be construed as a violation of
> this CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the Alpine community
> moderators. Excessive lobbying or continuously engaging the Alpine
> community on non-technical matters is a disruption of the collaborative
> space and also a violation of the CoC.
>
> 5. Any amendment made to this CoC should be approved unanimously by all
> Alpine developers (i.e. all people who have commit rights on the
> repositories).
>
> 6. The CoC is only about interaction with the Alpine community. Your
> private and public lives outside of the Alpine community are your own.
> Any issue arising outside of the Alpine community and not directly
> technically related with the Alpine maintained software shall neither be
> discussed nor arbitrated within the community.
>
>
> On 5/12/2017 1:50 PM, Laurent Bercot wrote:
>>> The human rights were written, to the top of my knowledge, by white men
>>
>>  Yeah, well, there was no Internet at the time, so it wasn't easy to
>> communicate with people outside of your main circle. Apples and oranges.
>>
>>
>>> It's not because we have predominant common factors that we will be
>>> unable to comprehend or perceive challenges that others undure.
>>
>>  It is exactly because we are not exposed to challenges that we may fail
>> to perceive them. I have experienced this first-hand. Pretending to be
>> able to foresee everything is just hubris; if we are going to have a CoC
>> ready for when the community has grown and needs one, I'd rather have it
>> done right.
>>
>>
>>> We are all Humans, and the paragraph two is meant as a catch-all for
>>> abuses towards Humans (if I remember correctly, awilfox was supporting
>>> it, saying something along the lines of "no personal attacks, and
>>> you're good"), no matter their individual characteristics.
>>
>>  Sure, and that's fine with me, too. But is there any harm in running
>> it by
>> people who may have a different perspective, just to be sure?
>>
>>
>>> Making it more explicit, and detailing each case is a role a refuse to
>>> take, as it will exponentially increase the pain of discussing and
>>> redacting the CoC;
>>
>>  That's not what I suggested.
>>  I know you thought people would make that suggestion and so you felt
>> compelled to address it, but as it turns out, I didn't. Please react to
>> what I wrote, not to what you think I would write. And for the record,
>> I agree with you on that point.
>>
>>
>>>  In short I'm not against asking around, but please be careful who you
>>> ask: if this becomes the kind of long and complicated debate
>>> attracting mobs of lobbyists from any side
>>
>>  That is *also* not what I wrote. As a matter of fact, since it's
>> something
>> that really does endanger open source projects and often flies under the
>> radar, I am in favor of adding a mention to paragraph 4 that would say
>> something like: excessive lobbying or engaging the Alpine community on
>> non-technical matters *is* a disruption of the collaborative space and a
>> violation of the CoC. (In other words: make it clear that
>> politics, drama or any other kind of noise => out.)
>>
>>
>>> Let's make our CoC as we like our software. Simple, reliable, and small.
>>
>>  Yes. And to me, reliability includes checks from people with more
>> experience than we have in these matters.
>>
>> --
>>  Laurent
>>
>>
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