Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Introducing tools-base meta package
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:19:48 -0600
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Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Introducing tools-base meta package
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On 02/12/18 03:19, Przemys=C5=82aw Pawe=C5=82czyk wrote:
> Hi, Alpiners!
>=20
> What would you say about introducing new meta packages:
>=20
> - tools-base - depending on busybox for now,
> - tools-base-initscripts - depending on busybox-initscripts for now?
>=20
> After introducing they could replace busybox and busybox-initscripts as=

> dependencies of alpine-base.
>=20
> (Maybe provides=3D"/bin/sh" should be moved from busybox to tools-base
> then, not sure yet.)


/bin/sh should be provided by a splitpackage of busybox (like
busybox-sh).  This way it can be changed without changing the tools
themselves.

This is what we do in Ad=C3=A9lie; we have bash-binsh, busybox-binsh,
dash-binsh, zsh-binsh.  (The latter two are not recommended but there
for the people who want to experiment.)

I do like the idea of making base tools a virtual.  It would certainly
make my job easier!  :)


> - mawk
>=20
> It's "an interpreter for the AWK Programming Language".
> It will possibly allow to make some packages depend on it instead of
> gawk.
>=20
> I believe A. Wilcox can share details why it's better than busybox's
> awk, after dealing with it in Adelie Linux.


mawk has wider compatibility for some awk constructs than BusyBox awk.
I am unfortunately not sure exactly which constructs BB doesn't have as
I've never looked at the source, and my notes about that are long gone.

I can say that Ad=C3=A9lie doesn't even *ship* gawk.  We replaced all
references to gawk with mawk locally with no ill effects.  Note we don't
ship the entire main and community repos so I am not advocating gawk's
removal in Alpine.  I am however advocating replacing it with mawk
wherever it makes sense.

Alpine edge gawk-4.2.0-r0 installed size:
847872

Ad=C3=A9lie alpha4 mawk-20161120-r1 installed size:
172032


All the best,
--arw

--=20
A. Wilcox (awilfox)
Project Lead, Ad=C3=A9lie Linux
http://adelielinux.org


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