X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail-qt0-f176.google.com (mail-qt0-f176.google.com [209.85.216.176]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AD05C4B0E for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 06:47:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail-qt0-f176.google.com with SMTP id s6so112920009qtc.1 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:47:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dereferenced-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5emCxlnQk24HW1FPfirylPE4x06jUN6OWS/fSs4cfkk=; b=SArM/ejj6MUjhBmXWkw53JNGeKyLc6pk7Sd7k/De4lnnyzoqfa7O3XX17pILX6U56b 41w1cBktiC+vfDBDp2KH3Rfqtk0g3Tk4wdtxuHHQbEMRmH90UJdWXXpn4jEi3O/OW702 zA0V523PcfyeP44APo7CLGD9r5whUKR6ZClRmT+Oq8m4AE2oxWL4dRtTi7bp97hT0s5z V1ErWGIR9B6zUJaKbEfcKJMGBMyPBC86DQjFuRzbQpE3MrwX0NZtm2W88Z0GUUpi0QG7 slgBHKtzTrfwsmw+Ch2o+JvVyiZw1GBrpXct9ECnfPOuYMHC4BzTkr9F01BAmI7eap4Q jyew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5emCxlnQk24HW1FPfirylPE4x06jUN6OWS/fSs4cfkk=; b=Rl+5ROdLaVBMaN5/s6XICct4GANFuL3fGxSK3y3z2stutjkW2ewEtIrK7JyvjSPDm3 4aJIABQjFJ/hm6JLg8Bz7c7ndpMXkzGWRhNUnMmXIgDcjhqJokpwB5BgE7Jc2w+qkNnp ZKeL37Ke1Mau0MctssI+Tqh1ld1leLKw/MXOsjNhtdB0O+VGSjZ4i92+Um9lxbZ+e1mI y10D7QDJDF2bARu0IJFQM6zgModjtxwF8LoG2jKA8IDjxpXby5fgBAs6sQNofYbnWkFp BTz5K9vpOVoh/L2j/jC5TtfIOUgYhl+Q/QW/GFmffLZ+bI1WjQ+h4Sp0YJ/ID1EMQJQY wHmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110Zju+qO/8TeHCdE99fYJOJZEPYjDWaAILnJxCuT+dkQG/ljS+J tUOspFjEpRXXFnUZw9Qb4dlAC5t2Dxy/ X-Received: by 10.200.48.25 with SMTP id f25mr9968550qte.257.1501483651272; Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.46.10 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:47:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Pitcock Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 01:47:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [alpine-devel] Re: a discourse on the troubles of being an alpine developer these days To: alpine-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 2:57 AM, William Pitcock wrote: > The reality is that when bpitrowski@ was run out of the project by > jirutka@ and some contributors that are part of his social clique, the > core team did nothing to stop it, with individual members (including > myself) expressing sorrow about the situation. Since then it has > become clear that inaction of the core team has sent a very harmful > message. The group who systematically harassed bpitrowski@ until he > resigned have had other actions which have lead to perceptions such as > "spewing hate is part of the Alpine brand." I want to follow up on this part: since I wrote this, I spoke with both jirutka and barthalion, so I feel that following up is the right thing to do. On one side, barthalion said that he felt ignored and that nobody cared about anything he had to contribute, which probably explains the reduction in effort he applied towards Alpine in the months before he left. On the other, jirutka said that the conflict went both ways, which is why it probably escalated to the point of barthalion leaving. Either way in this case, upon further reflection, I think the actual tragedy here is that we lack private channels to work through these problems. I had a lengthy private discussion with jirutka, and he came to basically the same conclusion. He also clarified that he agrees the actions taken by some of his associates has been out of line lately. So given that, I think in reality, that he's an alright person. Until now we have never really talked about what happened last year in great detail. The tragedy is, in my opinion, that if we had appropriate channels to work through issues privately, that barthalion probably wouldn't have left to begin with. Finally, I would like to apologise to jirutka for calling him out without having the whole story. If we had appropriate private channels, these issues likely wouldn't occur to begin with. I look forward to working with jirutka and the rest of the core team to establish backchannels for this purpose, and procedures to use for appropriately handling complaints directed to the core team. I still miss the days where we worked on code instead of bickering. What I really want is to return to that climate. Whether or not I choose to stay really comes down to whether or not I believe we will return to that climate. William --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---