X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail-ig0-f170.google.com (mail-ig0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B96ADC0191 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 21:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r10so5201699igi.5 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 14:45:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e/CEDmjOzbYYUk6+uTF7iGJTRVBZxRFmR3yH/SmCpZA=; b=PV7plhS3L8SnZ3FMgrv3rW5D7Eb1LNQqN+JL9/jpOIuPh5O2aCLJBBomg2Rn5B1um4 G7r60VgkNnrq2h8Rxa3iOuI7iS/DGErc+q3iT88XqLLZ7WKq0zYvc5gElrQYGW5jaboT Tec/D6j/jIvzFwL9WizXSunQMqCl2u5CwY9ZAYTM9HcDxB/MUAKPnh8ddPJrp0m+cCdM bVLLnwXSDKucwWLT3DJnoUwygyn0TJn9ausjqS35I3xYXcwlR3LBJY+jSFDT9/Zbf+/6 i36mvVwjaRVjw9djIl2YkRR1ZtuZ4vc7HlwJeCZ1ogCrB3FH0NImWwREKNE9B+b6+aSd +scg== X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.119.132 with SMTP id ku4mr47510840igb.35.1399931134277; Mon, 12 May 2014 14:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.223.71 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2014 14:45:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5371322F.8040502@arcor.de> References: <20140509112421.7a5339dd@ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org> <536CD3D6.7080900@arcor.de> <20140511122351.6ff04b75@ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org> <5371322F.8040502@arcor.de> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 23:45:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] New logo and website design? From: Carlo Landmeter To: Der Tiger Cc: Natanael Copa , Alan Messias , Alpine Devel List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134428ef7ff9a04f93add94 --001a1134428ef7ff9a04f93add94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Der Tiger wrote: > Carlo, > > > Also the mountains/alps in our logo (and our header image) how do they > > relate to our project? > Well, could this be because the project is called _Alpine_ Linux !? ;-) > Thats exactly the "issue" i was talking about. Our project name is Alpine Linux. If you lookup alpine in wikipedia, it says: "The term alpine refers to the Alps, a European mountain range.". Our project has nothing to do with alps, except the (imho) vague arguments you make before. Thus drawing an alp on your logo would make people on the street (random people) think we sell some sort of mountain climbing gear. > > As can be learned from the last paragraph at {1}, the name Alpine was > derived from "A Linux Powered Integrated Network Engine". There is > certainly some sort of relation between the product and alps, since > mountains are associated with being as durable a barrier as a firewall > should be. While keeping valleys apart, mountains offer connecting > infrastructure in the form of paths and passes, just like Alpine Linux > does by separating and deliberately connecting WAN and LAN. > Alpine is not *only* a firewall, it has been used for many other situations as stated before by Nathanael. As stated before, I think your arguments regarding alps vs alpine are vague, I wouldnt want to have snow on top of my server or have water running thru it (if you look at it in that perspective). > > Apart from that: Every child needs a name. > Absolutley, I dont think anybody want to change the name ( I love it). > > > Maybe I'm the only one, but i still like our current logo a lot, even if > > it has been designed in a rush. > I personally favour the new concept. > > > PS ive seen projects that change colors when browsing to other parts of > > the site, and i didn't like it. > Certainly, this is a matter of how it is implemented. It is quite common > for commercial products to use colours to group the different types of a > product, e.g. the standard and the pro edition of any software. This > helps the customer to easily remember and recognize the type of product > he/she is used to buy, while the basic designs of all products of the > brand stay the same. For instance, the O'Reilly Media {2} publishing > company uses differently coloured banners for each scientific field they > publish books in, while the overall look of their books is (mostly) > identical. > > In the case of Alpine Linux it would require quite some effort to > implement the use of different colour schemes in that way, because all > products are offered on the same web page and each reference to any > product type would have to be modified to the appropriate colour scheme. > On the other hand, the project home page, the wiki and the bug tracker > are separate software, that could independently be set-up with different > colour schemes as long as the overall look stays the same and visitors > perceive the different sections as being part of one whole website. > I have nothing against *limited* colors schemes that change, but please dont change logo colors, its a no go in CI. > > Just My 2c, Tiger > > {1} http://alpinelinux.org/about > {2} http://www.oreilly.com/ > --001a1134428ef7ff9a04f93add94 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Der Tiger <<= a href=3D"mailto:der.tiger.alpine@arcor.de" target=3D"_blank">der.tiger.alp= ine@arcor.de> wrote:
Carlo,

> Also the mountains/alps in our logo (and our header image) how do they=
> relate to our project?
Well, could this be because the project is called _Alpine_ Linux !? ;= -)

Thats exactly the "issue" = i was talking about. Our project name is Alpine Linux. If you lookup alpine= in wikipedia, it says: "The term alpine refers to the Alps, a Europea= n mountain range.". Our project has nothing to do with alps, except th= e (imho) vague arguments you make before. Thus drawing an alp on your logo = would make people on the street (random people) think we sell some sort of = mountain climbing gear.
=C2=A0

As can be learned from the last paragraph at {1}, the name Alpine was
derived from "A Linux Powered Integrated Network Engine". There i= s
certainly some sort of relation between the product and alps, since
mountains are associated with being as durable a barrier as a firewall
should be. While keeping valleys apart, mountains offer connecting
infrastructure in the form of paths and passes, just like Alpine Linux
does by separating and deliberately connecting WAN and LAN.

Alpine is not *only* a firewall, it has been used for = many other situations as stated before by Nathanael.
As stated be= fore, I think your arguments regarding alps vs alpine are vague, I wouldnt = want to have snow on top of my server or have water running thru it (if you= look at it in that perspective).
=C2=A0

Apart from that: Every child needs a name.

<= div>Absolutley, I dont think anybody want to change the name ( I love it).<= /div>
=C2=A0

> Maybe I'm the only one, but i still like our current logo a lot, e= ven if
> it has been designed in a rush.
I personally favour the new concept.

> PS ive seen projects that change colors when browsing to other parts o= f
> the site, and i didn't like it.
Certainly, this is a matter of how it is implemented. It is quite com= mon
for commercial products to use colours to group the different types of a product, e.g. the standard and the pro edition of any software. This
helps the customer to easily remember and recognize the type of product
he/she is used to buy, while the basic designs of all products of the
brand stay the same. For instance, the O'Reilly Media {2} publishing company uses differently coloured banners for each scientific field they publish books in, while the overall look of their books is (mostly)
identical.

In the case of Alpine Linux it would require quite some effort to
implement the use of different colour schemes in that way, because all
products are offered on the same web page and each reference to any
product type would have to be modified to the appropriate colour scheme. On the other hand, the project home page, the wiki and the bug tracker
are separate software, that could independently be set-up with different colour schemes as long as the overall look stays the same and visitors
perceive the different sections as being part of one whole website.

I have nothing against *limited* colors s= chemes that change, but please dont change logo colors, its a no go in CI.<= /div>
=C2=A0

Just My 2c, Tiger

{1} http://alpin= elinux.org/about
{2} http://www.oreill= y.com/

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