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Subject: Re: Native Alpine GLibc support (NEW)
To: Jakub Panek <me@panekj.dev>
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=C3=BAt 21. 6. 2022 v 15:05 odes=C3=ADlatel Jakub Panek <me@panekj.dev> nap=
sal:
>
> As a person that dabbles with Alpine and is somewhat active in community,
> I agree that glibc doesn't feel right with Alpine. It's not a component
> that you can simply replace in ecosystem as everything has to be rebuilt
> against it. IMO, libc and package manager are base components which make
> OS distinct so calling it Alpine with glibc would be a disservice as
> Alpine focuses on size, simplicity and security, which for glibc I
> would say neither are a focus.
>
So the Alpine can be first distro that supports two libc libraries! ;-)
>
> I would be happy to contribute towards apk-tools + glibc OS (option b))
> and it's ports as much as I can but would really recommend for it
> to define itself as separate project from Alpine (e.g. different name).
> I could also provide some compute and storage for it.
>
As Natanael said it would increase the resource needs (people) even
more. I think... Changing one library does not need to generate
another distro. Maybe I should share it somehow so you can try it in
chroot or docker to see there is really actually almost no change
which I like most.

Maybe Jakube we can setup a repository of packages somewhere on your
web server? I can copy it there. Then it is easy to start to play with
that as you have build toolchain ready.