Received: from mail-ej1-f53.google.com (mail-ej1-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by nld3-dev1.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40DFF780E91 for <~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org>; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ej1-f53.google.com with SMTP id ay16so7072953ejb.6 for <~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org>; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lVwyLN6JVwN8KtcFfEAlAmeXPg2NZmpBfbuinGjAiaQ=; b=SjCEuKmyMGlwNFoM85jOD7SolHENAHjAIVCdw5Qizbq5VwbNTFlzb8pQ42raNrH7K3 oXxCtNr21LfdzY3YD4vodbLohHqTm413WzrQU4ApqxT8vyyGGudKyaVuF2Ffb+muK3Z+ LafQ/xRKYtX+GyOtvCpA9eIlzx4UEpcSbqIJfVYFmznhhOjgjF4yX86u1IUSfLuyI6pP zJMUgjHBPjxNe13+1McI3zR6foa24PiMSI5R7jwM6A5ur2hHe/2mycdNB0VdMhi+TL9e /Htu+lx7kVwvJuyJndGdgAkeNScb3XQcUdZJSTzj1GtpuEqvp0g2y5LEs981O7UjWXI2 waJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lVwyLN6JVwN8KtcFfEAlAmeXPg2NZmpBfbuinGjAiaQ=; b=SJy0wIizLuN7lXoDxjWWCxLZ0bPLeeGtvvJMzLKWHwIOR3y/O/XpePwH9+WGHHMRyL eOuuA+OFmRrIqKMFTz6q9eA74eSD0bSRgRiJesUJ26L38ODqGLXr11MdHnDzkr5LsMLP l1yISk5z/i3yJJw+AORZqcNzqyuYaF8Uj4B09md5g1H7qw7J1amo7A9FawJDwgu3pvGb 4dJqT1L3d3gqvo2m2hICxlp39xa9kShIEUYdHd4cdhe6T0OwRt4nVdHeK2rabhzXEntB itokxN+pIu+JH6Fd5U7kn+GGVTqRe1NGHLWIkHRvIOYzAco9Nd1vyjetN8JOKmeL9KUt vtHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/QE21hpUh54//ssvOEK5IOg0/AsjbEVEquxwL2OuoQvn8TCSpj yxI/nLEGklGXfjPjFzymYik9qr+UPUsUm8I6FpBrHHUwgDI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uaRvyJASecGOXybKXBphoVgCtLE/lOfR9/ppgxJwopZBWqtGeVsVZNWQN9LTbTIweNqHJgVlnX2I8wNQ9bIqo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:ea5:b0:722:d031:cf3d with SMTP id ho37-20020a1709070ea500b00722d031cf3dmr5730608ejc.226.1655806817746; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 03:20:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220621095653.71773d59@ncopa-desktop.lan> <20220621114559.4d38d98e@ncopa-desktop.lan> In-Reply-To: <20220621114559.4d38d98e@ncopa-desktop.lan> From: Tomas Kolda Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:20:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Native Alpine GLibc support (NEW) To: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C3=BAt 21. 6. 2022 v 11:46 odes=C3=ADlatel Natanael Copa napsal: > > Adding glibc support will open new possibilities, like adding support > for systemd (see > https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/merge_requests/33329). > Adding more options what becomes possible does not mean that it needs to be done. I tried to say that when you look on glibc as another "libc" then there does not need to be any change. It is just different build. Every component must work with glibc as it is the very first one people support. I do not want to argue about where Alpine should go. It is your decisions and obviously good ones as I like Alpine. If it helps with systemd, it is good. Does it push anyone for systemd? No. > > At this point there would not really be any big difference from > CentOS/Redhat/Debian/Ubuntu/etc. > > So why not just use CentOS/Redhat/Debian/Ubuntu in the first place? I > believe there is where we'd end up anyway eventually. > - Alpine serves very fresh packages. Other distros go too slow. - Alpine has very little vulnerabilities reported compared to other distros= . - Alpine is so easy to customize compared to other distros. - Alpine is perfect for docker use case (mine) I know that I defend my use case so I understand it is just one vote. Just explaining why I do not like to use saint four. I did not pick Alpine, because of MUSL. I am not sure it brings that much for non embedded use cases. I have picked Alpine, because of its packaging and simplicity to customize it. It can serve easily any use case. It is not important if C library is couple of megabytes smaller.