Subject: wiki content permission doubts or removal request with no citation

From: PICCORO McKAY Lenz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:30:25 -0400

Hello everyone, the following email is to ask if the content is still
the sole authorship on the wiki or is it mandatory to be willing
manipulate by others, I ask this because I already separate a special
category called "newbie" which is now extremely mixed with the other
pages of the alpine wiki. My original work idea was a separate section
for specific people that are not so hackers but loved the alpine
system in bare metal and not only dockerized. but it seems are too
much developers with "no time to documentation in such cases"

If this behavior is mandatory, my request is that all the content
(only those created, not the contributions to already existing pages)
by me be completely removed, in advance, today I removed the
references to the articles that I create, this does not mean that
articles that have not been created by me but that I already
contributed be to removed, like those: mysql, lighttp, php, and
obviously almost 70% among them the rarest ones like cacti or gitea
that today are more complete rather the first times.

Taking into account that according to the majority of opinions are
negative based on only grammar, none stopped to think that this
happens because I am the only one who took the trouble in the past to
detail and get out of minimalism, which always leaves doubts, being
(and still today) the alpine wiki one of the poorest of all.

The reason for this is because given the minimalist path and the lack
of organization, the little respect that I create a separate section
to avoid problems has not been the case ... all based on bad grammar
without taking into account that I am the only one who knows I take
this time, and that the result of bad grammar is precisely the little
time.

Disclamer at the moment archived
https://web.archive.org/web/20220106142854/https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:Privacy_policy

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

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From: "Drew DeVault" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 15:37:53 +0100

The wiki is, as follows the nature of all wikis, a collaborative effort.
It is not a platform upon which you may publish content under your sole
authority, which would be better for your blog or something similar.

Remove your content yourself if you don't like it.

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From: PICCORO McKAY Lenz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:49:59 -0400

Hi, Dre3w, it seems as all the developers of the alpine, do not read
the hole mail right? stop to shot adn read in context.. i am checking
the respect of and coordination and due there's no none of.. i cited
the copy and policy of the same wiki.

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From: "Drew DeVault" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 15:57:51 +0100

I read your full email. Nothing in the wiki's copyright policy precludes
modification by others. This is the purpose of a wiki in the first
place.

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From: PICCORO McKAY Lenz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 11:34:33 -0400

so then i will take your mail (and so rude response) as official one?
no problem with that i just asked if there's an anarqui way (as you
seems proposed)

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From: "alice" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 16:47:56 +0100

> no problem with that i just asked if there's an anarqui way (as you

Given the quite inflammatory comments on the wiki talk page at[1] about
'lammers' and 'nano users' or whatever, and your supposed online blog
linked in your email signature, i am not sure if you are being serious
with these requests or if you are just trolling. Either way, this sort
of conduct is not very well taken to here, so you should perhaps reflect
on your behaviour as a person first before claiming that 'alpine
developers' just want to remove your wiki pages.

And, of course, you are free to delete these yourself per the copyright,
if that is what you wish for.

[1]: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Talk:Alpine_newbie

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From: qnx4ever <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:02:22 +0300

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone!
I guess irc is not as popular these days. Maybe we need a Telegram group or
something for interractive discussions.

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From: Ariadne Conill <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:38:35 -0600 (CST)

Hi,

> much developers with "no time to documentation in such cases"

The purpose of a Wiki is to be a collaborative document, in other words, 
the content is owned by the community.  The original license of the Alpine 
wiki was a mistake, caused by the lack of selection of a license when 
MediaWiki was installed.  The relicensing effort corrects this mistake.

> that today are more complete rather the first times.

If you do not consent to the relicensing, please remove the content 
yourself.  Speaking of consent relating to the use of licensed materials, 
it should be noted that Alpine has never formally consented to your use of 
the Alpine marks on your telegram channels, however, until now, we have 
also not taken any action about it, largely because of your attempts to 
contribute positively to the Alpine community[0].

> (and still today) the alpine wiki one of the poorest of all.

It has been identified that a major reason why people do not contribute to 
the Alpine Wiki is because of the previous license, which made no sense, 
and made it a question as to whether anyone (including you) could actually 
contribute Wiki pages at all.  Drew took action to initiate a relicensing 
of the Wiki because of this.

> this time, and that the result of bad grammar is precisely the little

If there are other Wiki editors who are critical of your work, then 
clearly you are not the only one participating in the Wiki project.

Ariadne

[0]: The effectiveness of those contribution attempts of course is an 
issue that different participants have different opinions on, as your Wiki 
talk page notes.