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From: Andy Postnikov <apostnikov@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 01:21:01 +0300
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Subject: Re: Use of supervise-daemon in Alpine
To: Laurent Bercot <ska-devel@skarnet.org>
Cc: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org
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Just wanted to mention that I'm using s6 a lot inside of alpine:*
containers last few years
and other supervisors still did not convince me to change it.

Laurent, thank you a lot for keeping s6 alive and stable!

=D0=BF=D1=82, 21 =D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=B3. 2020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 00:12, Laurent Ber=
cot <ska-devel@skarnet.org>:

>
>   Back in 2015, I was pushing Alpine to move to a supervision system,
> I packaged s6 for Alpine, and unless something happened that I'm not
> aware of, it's still working out of the box. I spent a lot of time on
> IRC trying to convince developers of the virtues of supervision, and
> of s6 in particular.
>
>   What I gathered from the conversations was that there *was* theoretical
> interest, but moving to a supervision system was not work that the devs
> wanted to prioritize; if I wanted the move to happen, I would have to
> put in the work myself.
>
>   I had other obligations at the time, so I did not prioritize the work
> either - so the subject remained unresolved. I was not made to feel,
> though, that the door had been closed.
>
>   I am glad to see that Alpine is finally coming around and embracing
> the supervision model. However, I wonder why you are choosing
> supervision-daemon, which is technically inferior, when s6 has been
> available on Alpine for years and when I have always signalled my
> desire to help migrate.
>
>   I have to admit that it feels slightly unpleasant to have been pushing
> for a solution for *years* and always been met with very tepid
> enthusiasm, and today, at the first mention of supervise-daemon, there
> is immediate approval and you are going to switch right away.
> If for some reason Alpine was never going to switch to s6, had an issue
> not with the concept, but with the implementation, or with me, which is
> what this suggestion seems to impliy, then it would have been good
> expectation management to be honest and say it from the get go.
>
>   If, however, my interpretation is wrong, I am *still* available to
> help with a migration to s6, and will actually have time starting in
> September to do the grunt work with the Alpine init scripts.
>
> --
>   Laurent
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Jus=
t wanted to mention that I&#39;m using s6 a lot inside of alpine:* containe=
rs last few years</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:smal=
l"> and other supervisors still did not convince me to change it.<br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Laurent, thank you a lot for k=
eeping s6 alive and stable!<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=BF=D1=82, 21 =D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=B3. 2=
020 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 00:12, Laurent Bercot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ska-devel@sk=
arnet.org">ska-devel@skarnet.org</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
=C2=A0 Back in 2015, I was pushing Alpine to move to a supervision system,<=
br>
I packaged s6 for Alpine, and unless something happened that I&#39;m not<br=
>
aware of, it&#39;s still working out of the box. I spent a lot of time on<b=
r>
IRC trying to convince developers of the virtues of supervision, and<br>
of s6 in particular.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 What I gathered from the conversations was that there *was* theoreti=
cal<br>
interest, but moving to a supervision system was not work that the devs<br>
wanted to prioritize; if I wanted the move to happen, I would have to<br>
put in the work myself.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 I had other obligations at the time, so I did not prioritize the wor=
k<br>
either - so the subject remained unresolved. I was not made to feel,<br>
though, that the door had been closed.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 I am glad to see that Alpine is finally coming around and embracing<=
br>
the supervision model. However, I wonder why you are choosing<br>
supervision-daemon, which is technically inferior, when s6 has been<br>
available on Alpine for years and when I have always signalled my<br>
desire to help migrate.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 I have to admit that it feels slightly unpleasant to have been pushi=
ng<br>
for a solution for *years* and always been met with very tepid<br>
enthusiasm, and today, at the first mention of supervise-daemon, there<br>
is immediate approval and you are going to switch right away.<br>
If for some reason Alpine was never going to switch to s6, had an issue<br>
not with the concept, but with the implementation, or with me, which is<br>
what this suggestion seems to impliy, then it would have been good<br>
expectation management to be honest and say it from the get go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 If, however, my interpretation is wrong, I am *still* available to<b=
r>
help with a migration to s6, and will actually have time starting in<br>
September to do the grunt work with the Alpine init scripts.<br>
<br>
--<br>
=C2=A0 Laurent<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature"><div><b>Andy Postnikov</b>, drupal consultant</div><div><di=
v><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://dgo.to/@andypost" style=3D"color:rgb(17,=
85,204)" target=3D"_blank">dgo.to/@andypost</a></div><div>skype:andypost200=
5</div></div></div>

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