From: "Fouwels, Kaelan" <kfouwels@belcan.com>
To: Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org>, Jakub Panek <me@panekj.dev>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft acquires SystemD
Thread-Topic: Microsoft acquires SystemD
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:41:28 +0000
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 09:52:52 +0000
Jakub Panek <me@panekj.dev> wrote:

> > >> ok not quite...
> > >
> > >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DSystemd-Crea=
tor-Microsoft
> > >
> > >> Even more the reason to opt out of that whole mess though
> >
> > > Hi,
> >
> > > How is that of any relevance to Alpine Linux project?
> >
> > > Cheers, Jakub
> >
> > The use of OpenRC, over SystemD for the init system is a core component=
 of Alpine Linux
>
> As you noticed, Alpine uses OpenRC and has been for *quite a long time*,
> therefore what's the point of sharing that article (except to polarise
> linux community even more and contribute to various conspiracy theories)?
>
> I would like to not see Alpine's community reputation tarnished due to
> insults towards projects (and people) which do not align theirs goals
> with Alpine's goals and such conversations should be kept off of mailing
> lists.

+1

We should absolutely keep that kind of stuff away from the Alpine Linux
community.

"Our goal is to maintain a ... friendly Alpine community for everyone"
https://www.alpinelinux.org/community/code-of-conduct.html

-nc

=97

Fair enough, was intended as a light hearted nod to alpine=92s design, but =
get this view given past flame wars on the subject

KF

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size-adjust: 100%;">On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 09:52:52 +0000</span><br>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Jakub Panek &lt;me@panekj.dev&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; ok not quite...&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews=
_item&amp;px=3DSystemd-Creator-Microsoft" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable">
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&amp;px=3DSystemd-Creator=
-Microsoft</a>&nbsp;
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Even more the reason to opt out of that whole mess thoug=
h&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; How is that of any relevance to Alpine Linux project?&nbsp; =
<br>
&gt; &gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers, Jakub&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; The use of OpenRC, over SystemD for the init system is a core com=
ponent of Alpine Linux&nbsp;
<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As you noticed, Alpine uses OpenRC and has been for *quite a long time=
*,<br>
&gt; therefore what's the point of sharing that article (except to polarise=
<br>
&gt; linux community even more and contribute to various conspiracy theorie=
s)?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I would like to not see Alpine's community reputation tarnished due to=
<br>
&gt; insults towards projects (and people) which do not align theirs goals<=
br>
&gt; with Alpine's goals and such conversations should be kept off of maili=
ng<br>
&gt; lists.<br>
<br>
+1<br>
<br>
We should absolutely keep that kind of stuff away from the Alpine Linux<br>
community.<br>
<br>
&quot;Our goal is to maintain a ... friendly Alpine community for everyone&=
quot;<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.alpinelinux.org/community/code-of-conduct.html" data=
-auth=3D"NotApplicable">https://www.alpinelinux.org/community/code-of-condu=
ct.html</a><br>
<br>
-nc</div>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">=97</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><br>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Fair enough, was intended as a light hearted nod t=
o alpine=92s design, but get this view given past flame wars on the subject=
</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText">KF</div>
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