Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mx1.tetrasec.net [66.245.176.36]) by nld3-dev1.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1EC0781A9C for <~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org>; Sun, 3 May 2020 02:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.tetrasec.net (mail.local [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E3E88BC6; Sun, 3 May 2020 02:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.17.48.222] (068-187-202-164.res.spectrum.com [68.187.202.164]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nangel@tetrasec.net) by mx1.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C436488BC5; Sun, 3 May 2020 02:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Enforcing patch headers for patches From: Nathan Angelacos To: Natanael Copa , Rasmus Thomsen Cc: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 22:13:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200430162051.10a7d0ee@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> References: <4ac4d3aad3bf0f050070166b27a2344efe32e9b7.camel@cogitri.dev> <20200430102823.11d1ed66@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <37d426d6246dbf7702e86eac43fd393407ec6e28.camel@cogitri.dev> <20200430162051.10a7d0ee@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 2020-04-30 at 16:20 +0200, Natanael Copa wrote: I'm done. Don't care either way. kamailio can't compile because qemu requires 1.4 nettle and a new compile of kamailio requires nettle 1.5 I 100% agree that we should add headers to our patches to say "why does this exist" Upstreaming has been a PITA for me, personally. I think what Rasmus and Ariadane have been advocating the past few weeks is "let's reduce friction" - and I 100% agree... but we are missing something. I dunno what... but we are saying "you must do X", and the thing is "the 'real world (what the heck is that anymore?)' works like Y". I think the bigger issue is "how do we move forward, document what AND WHY we need to patch, and ... move forward?" Rasmus, Ariadane - I really, really appreciate your input. Personally, this has been an intelligent conversation. Sorry.. extra grumpy tonight.