From: "Laurent Bercot" <ska-devel@skarnet.org>
To: ~alpine/devel@lists.alpinelinux.org
Subject: Re: Use of supervise-daemon in Alpine
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:12:21 +0000
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Reply-To: "Laurent Bercot" <ska-devel@skarnet.org>
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  Back in 2015, I was pushing Alpine to move to a supervision system,
I packaged s6 for Alpine, and unless something happened that I'm not
aware of, it's still working out of the box. I spent a lot of time on
IRC trying to convince developers of the virtues of supervision, and
of s6 in particular.

  What I gathered from the conversations was that there *was* theoretical
interest, but moving to a supervision system was not work that the devs
wanted to prioritize; if I wanted the move to happen, I would have to
put in the work myself.

  I had other obligations at the time, so I did not prioritize the work
either - so the subject remained unresolved. I was not made to feel,
though, that the door had been closed.

  I am glad to see that Alpine is finally coming around and embracing
the supervision model. However, I wonder why you are choosing
supervision-daemon, which is technically inferior, when s6 has been
available on Alpine for years and when I have always signalled my
desire to help migrate.

  I have to admit that it feels slightly unpleasant to have been pushing
for a solution for *years* and always been met with very tepid
enthusiasm, and today, at the first mention of supervise-daemon, there
is immediate approval and you are going to switch right away.
If for some reason Alpine was never going to switch to s6, had an issue
not with the concept, but with the implementation, or with me, which is
what this suggestion seems to impliy, then it would have been good
expectation management to be honest and say it from the get go.

  If, however, my interpretation is wrong, I am *still* available to
help with a migration to s6, and will actually have time starting in
September to do the grunt work with the Alpine init scripts.

--
  Laurent