X-Original-To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.toastin.space (mail.toastin.space [207.246.93.162]) by lists.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3760F84F37 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.toastin.space (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7dfb7f5d; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:18:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=toastin.space; h=subject :to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=ml; bh=h2IedB31r5U5kr wDvHhgTX/P5c8=; b=ct2aF4EzqFRmzBMnmm9tISxeyMTx9Uww9xvSA4bm5knbVS 2pNIKqCTVGAUmzRO/86xY2pRoa1CUYxgFmX06xZRcbpnMP0AKBZNmZL2UwzHGePR xw3PjAOu0r7/e2Q5PtsoozuFabCbL0Y1cZbCXYGRxc8G59/BBxjEVrSIL54oV3ZB 5XM7iQz2LB+3PVVtsueZxhOsuEzQNiZZ7YgLb60WIo3OJUHd+ekqS8R01lDN824A 9BspGGl4FCVYcm5Ri8W0CRt9wMgrMnVrvexeQSDbc4JjtIbAdekkWDnwBd+UL1vu Fo2rii8d7RWV6Oo5g7FbkRF9v0/6kgfmX5CUsKjg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=toastin.space; h=subject:to :references:cc:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=ml; b=U0gicw9n XyMu1PqLbLmp6BmSGvWILj9NR2F1S74eJ1POpp2304J8suKsnVsxdW1wSchpCSID ydm8/Qym282BBER9iQzdBwO9V70Ggq9naOAlXKV1qtp4C+9CUXCJWMKmQAr1Dd7V lj0lilzUrL4HRsdjQFdIu6nGOg9xPTbuKaDK8D+4p8+mAFZRw5vBg46/kPnu8Cp9 14+/hogY63YzNKBQ2VrO50T4LRiShUVYVkZmCV+2N1AbcBDdTdNn4+WplfYG1Td8 rWRz4rNZEC1oMiR1Rc5qutbdVrGvtg9uMebxyWrJ+S7CLgiimmhKEOqD6ANRhd/P fL71rFJ/xt2i2w== Received: from [192.168.0.135] (173-246-15-165.qc.cable.ebox.net [173.246.15.165]) by mail.toastin.space (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id b7b60ebd (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] RFC: Project goals and guiding principles To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org References: <20190329094036.55ea5837@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> Cc: Natanael Copa , Drew DeVault From: Chloe Kudryavtsev Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:18:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:66.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/66.0 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190329193558.0998c8c5@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/29/2019 2:35 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: >> - Do the right thing over doing the written thing > > What is "the right thing"? Who decides what the right thing is? > > I am afraid that it may be (ab)used for things like: "The right thing > to do is to punish someone who offended me when nobody else does, even > if the written rules says I shouldn't" The axioms involved are as such: - There is always a correct course of action, based on the project goals. - It is possible to identify this course of action. - This course of action could, in theory, require breaking an existing rule or policy. Under the latter conditions, the idea here is to allow people to do said correct thing without (necessarily) waiting on consensus. > Who decides what the right thing is? The intent is for the right thing to be decided by consensus - a sort of "exception" system. If someone abuses this by claiming to know what the right thing is, while not actually following consensus, that would be qualified as abuse of power and punishable. I do see the concerns with the wording, though, and that was my main criticism of this point (as drafted by Drew). However, I could not come up with a better wording, so I left it in. The intention (slightly longer) is documented above, so let's discuss the intent, and if anyone comes up with better wording, it can be substituted in. > I also wonder if would make sense to include something in the lines: > > "Build a sustainable community that does not depend on any individual or > any single company or organization." > > Even if we haven't really written it down anywhere, that has been a > goal since the very beginning. How about the following?: > - - To maintain a friendly and productive community within. > + - To build a friendly, productive and sustainable community that does not depend on any singular entity. --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---