From nobody Fri Mar 29 05:37:09 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.alpinelinux.org (dallas-a1.alpinelinux.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6D4DC9EAA for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48440DC1491 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [80.129.29.252] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa07.server.lan (via HTTP); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:16:56 +0200 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: 7heo <7heo@mail.com> To: "AlpineLinux ML" Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:16:56 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ypOrFfiMcdZ2LciZPw3Xf5+O4o5oND62rxASWLKrxvB 0raStOUIUhddNp6PNgco/E+jnhqNZiQOnYT0weVKPiiLjeLnLQ e1luhJ0zDmjBFOeZrvu+Z1Dor/XTN8IugCJmXxjDuOrY6la3Nx Edcjj8gABdNHnY3XFj3a6ym7bxHbj4W2IMwsDyDYc5TYWrIqQq CGFlbCjmODC1fBi/aCZhmAez2i+voB6llEr75PQVS3aekjLfhp glRxEICyXOWiHIK0a/sThqhwnxWJHqA330dp1FEK8Ls23hTg78 sfSgg+UeGEBomkknv5cZ1Gm4TUT X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:6oQ/ttgB9xU=:JQk+6m73IDVizzgsNvOnAC tCi2X4DEFagSadh5L6wwFyjCY0gWA1503NbFOaLCFefF9bhCOJQaUJFLaNBOO81ZY7fd4pvmx DjwdZcKMdqMST6Gs0PxTsFnRp3fIFRaBuAT3u5SCGNABoKBKeCjVvRwBPEefhrF475sr1TCRP KgeTquRm8qcWiNwWJAbdnjBEfb99NAVIbmK0qkgm1NWT1wRZRI9krYrYxTFIcfxuZuKySCAbW 05MQbeH9LrER0Q6x1ugvUeWU3kqYhO12DI0Qb85YMovoQLtMylHo93nT4ds9ZYLnuSlCrUir0 ImUkCwFr/8MO56uh3XuK8SQ0aQcbgB50OmpYV6xqo5PoJtevkLFL/Mif99QwaQSv5U42XMzwS bppx+tganzHD9Gcebjma/nvhfbDGgbTZxM3quSEOWzrEDv5xyzri2J3iekpFsZHdfWRgFEBhQ 8mc+GdTCCQ== X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP >Sent:=C2=A0Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:46 PM >From:=C2=A0"Alan Pillay" >To:=C2=A0alpine-devel@lists=2Ealpinelinux=2Eorg >Subject:=C2=A0[alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine =2EISOs >The current Standard" =2Eiso" on http://www=2Ealpinelinux=2Eorg/downloads= / >is of the alpine Linux distribution + lots of packages to use it as a >router/firewall/etc as was alpine's first goal=2E However, I think most >people nowadays don't use it like that anymore=2E Also, there's nothing >in the name to indicate the "Standard" =2Eiso"comes with all those >things=2E Because of that most people downloading alpine are installing >many packages they never touch=2E What they actually are looking for is >probably the "Mini" =2Eiso=2E Not only that, but the "Vanilla" =2Eiso is = the >"Mini" =2Eiso with linux vanilla kernel, but there's nothing to indicate >that, and it looks like Vanilla is the "Standard" =2Eiso with some >modifications=2E >With all this put, I propose the following: > >Standard -> Network (Router/Firewall/VPN/VoIP/etc) >Mini -> Standard > >What does everyone think? >I believe this is what makes the most sense now that Alpine is a >general purpose distribution=2E > >Thanks for your time=2E > > >--- >Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists=2Ealpinelinux=2Eorg >Help: alpine-devel+help@lists=2Ealpinelinux=2Eorg >--- I would also get rid of the iso format as the main one, as nobody burns in= stallation medias anymore=2E It would be much better to have a dd'able inst= allation image=2E --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Fri Mar 29 05:37:09 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.alpinelinux.org (dallas-a1.alpinelinux.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C41CDC1491 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.tetrasec.net (unknown [74.117.189.116]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B3FDC029F for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-laptop (unknown [79.160.13.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: n@tanael.org) by newmail.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 173C25A7FFF; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:15:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 20:25:20 +0200 From: Natanael Copa To: 7heo <7heo@mail.com> Cc: "AlpineLinux ML" Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs Message-ID: <20151018202520.471ac3d7@ncopa-laptop> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:16:56 +0200 7heo <7heo@mail.com> wrote: > I would also get rid of the iso format as the main one, as nobody > burns installation medias anymore. It would be much better to have a > dd'able installation image. The .iso format has only served as an archive format, which you can easily boot directly in qemu. You can also use 7zip in windows to extract the files and run syslinux.exe. I doubt that is ever done though. Maybe a dd'able isohybrid or something would work? But we will also need some storage on the bootable media in case you want to run diskeless. for some storage on dd'able boot media from isohybrid would require user to create a second partition for apkovl. If we have an dd'able boot image with vfat file system we will also need add a second partition for apkovl as fat does not support resize. If we do dd'able boot media that is not fat, but ext4 or similar, then we lose the ability to copy the apkovl on a windows system. For UEFI we will probably need separate boot partition on fat anyway? Is it possible to create a dd'able image file which has a GPT which can resize the data storage partition? -nc --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Fri Mar 29 05:37:09 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.alpinelinux.org (dallas-a1.alpinelinux.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBDFDCA7DC for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58CDDDC029F for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by padhk11 with SMTP id hk11so7276193pad.1 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ZkBZx4punyaAs7Jpi5YYbYgf6vxoLUwPl7vBSYCN5CI=; b=dWCAW5bhMj0nQWuwFDQp+5BDQRYnQHZYSFoTedR2prDgbee20htyIntSx+JBYvv+3p tSAu7jTt1kg+v4m8lwz0qxcgPCPLCw2YtzgXlT1Y15cIsdJ6xTeWjQOkQ7S8o7nFN/Yu LdMIIpZ5sNmvqNJducP1c8CRZ5DWepTxgSTimgy/gzGcnxFOdHVPViSlTHEOJVfq3dIS QrIYxphKfb8UCNMhabm2W1c8YQpvdc0s+vvF1OaeXuZiPTDCKrMO7E2tguuPozi9MltN vhBfPyM2I/pwlzDzxvfwkQOuNW50yCZYRyZVcZ/5/TL/IubUpdRG29VQ2HQIxtjVnVKo qMxQ== X-Received: by 10.68.69.79 with SMTP id c15mr29713413pbu.90.1445197751713; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newbook ([50.0.225.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pw7sm9982941pbc.4.2015.10.18.12.49.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:49:07 -0700 From: Isaac Dunham To: Natanael Copa Cc: 7heo <7heo@mail.com>, AlpineLinux ML Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs Message-ID: <20151018194906.GA2728@newbook> References: <20151018202520.471ac3d7@ncopa-laptop> X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151018202520.471ac3d7@ncopa-laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:25:20PM +0200, Natanael Copa wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:16:56 +0200 > 7heo <7heo@mail.com> wrote: > > > I would also get rid of the iso format as the main one, as nobody > > burns installation medias anymore. It would be much better to have a > > dd'able installation image. > > The .iso format has only served as an archive format, which you can > easily boot directly in qemu. > > You can also use 7zip in windows to extract the files and run > syslinux.exe. I doubt that is ever done though. I always used to extract the ISO in 7zip, then use grub4dos to boot the files. > Maybe a dd'able isohybrid or something would work? I'd really like to see isohybrid used on ISOs, if possible; while it's not a perfect solution, it's more useful than old-fashioned ISOs. > But we will also need some storage on the bootable media in case you > want to run diskeless. for some storage on dd'able boot media from > isohybrid would require user to create a second partition for apkovl. > > If we have an dd'able boot image with vfat file system we will also > need add a second partition for apkovl as fat does not support resize. *blink* Huh? fatresize, fips...there *are* ways to split and resize FAT filesystems, and there have been for 10-20 years (FIPS was from 1995, fatresize from 2005), though the former needs to be packaged and the latter is DOS only. Don't forget that UDF is another option. Thanks, Isaac Dunham --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Fri Mar 29 05:37:10 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.alpinelinux.org (dallas-a1.alpinelinux.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E66DCA6FA for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4227ADC1491 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wijp11 with SMTP id p11so72633164wij.0 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TzOhONhcwCC127IX2Bkj3joz53Lqy+Jh3xyNRAUpHCk=; b=ekqRRLcdC4GKMT2IqweVzZEE3sSiO7JP50eSYvDnfmlUCTvTNqL7C9y3tMWU4ryWSq b9GZy27sDsJZp7MvaIOw7KAMwdyWb473lyqzotoglRCuRxusixT5YKz0ncxRiC3RMqUr +SHj+OP/Oj5eqXgcBLEYjNah30QDWwyKtEXr0VS2lripAKXckS+QbXlPeFAAcmmBq4iD sFII22xj/rV7W9+StBdgsYaaEEQAhU8cimTdcCK0nMNsOvxfapMtk5SLFtXS/v9s6BL8 67qsv0Bz39/gZmGmPFUXNbHnYNl7ZTQNmNBlx3hs7C628EkAHmcthHhuIzZjmx4bKCTj 9Sqw== X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.184.73 with SMTP id es9mr33355017wjc.122.1445197597549; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.22.136 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:46:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151018202520.471ac3d7@ncopa-laptop> References: <20151018202520.471ac3d7@ncopa-laptop> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:46:37 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs From: Alan Pillay To: Natanael Copa Cc: 7heo <7heo@mail.com>, AlpineLinux ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP I actually still burn .ISO to CD, but maybe that's just me? An option would be to provide both the .iso and the dd'able image. But I'm not sure if the developers have enough infrastructure for this double release. Discussion has been all about the release format so far, but how do you guys feel about the proposal of making the MINI image become the STANDARD image? I think the great majority of people don't use Alpine as a router/firewall/etc anymore and the current standard image comes with many programs only a few people use. On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:16:56 +0200 > 7heo <7heo@mail.com> wrote: > >> I would also get rid of the iso format as the main one, as nobody >> burns installation medias anymore. It would be much better to have a >> dd'able installation image. > > The .iso format has only served as an archive format, which you can > easily boot directly in qemu. > > You can also use 7zip in windows to extract the files and run > syslinux.exe. I doubt that is ever done though. > > Maybe a dd'able isohybrid or something would work? > > But we will also need some storage on the bootable media in case you > want to run diskeless. for some storage on dd'able boot media from > isohybrid would require user to create a second partition for apkovl. > > If we have an dd'able boot image with vfat file system we will also > need add a second partition for apkovl as fat does not support resize. > > If we do dd'able boot media that is not fat, but ext4 or similar, then > we lose the ability to copy the apkovl on a windows system. > > For UEFI we will probably need separate boot partition on fat anyway? > > Is it possible to create a dd'able image file which has a GPT which can > resize the data storage partition? > > -nc > > > --- > Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org > Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org > --- > --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Fri Mar 29 05:37:10 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.alpinelinux.org (dallas-a1.alpinelinux.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BDEDC18AE for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.tetrasec.net (unknown [74.117.189.116]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFEBDC00DC for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org (unknown [79.160.13.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: n@tanael.org) by newmail.tetrasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD9285A800B; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:27:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:38:21 +0200 From: Natanael Copa To: Alan Pillay Cc: 7heo <7heo@mail.com>, AlpineLinux ML Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs Message-ID: <20151019113821.36cda05f@ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20151018202520.471ac3d7@ncopa-laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:46:37 -0200 Alan Pillay wrote: > I actually still burn .ISO to CD, but maybe that's just me? > An option would be to provide both the .iso and the dd'able image. But > I'm not sure if the developers have enough infrastructure for this > double release. > > Discussion has been all about the release format so far, but how do > you guys feel about the proposal of making the MINI image become the > STANDARD image? I think the great majority of people don't use Alpine > as a router/firewall/etc anymore and the current standard image comes > with many programs only a few people use. I agree that we want make the alpine-mini to the standard image. The bigger iso image (currently standard) is only useful for diskless installs where you can have most of the needed packages on the iso. The question is what we rename it to? alpine-offline? alpine-live? I don't know what would be a good description for it. Or we only drop it? -nc > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Natanael Copa wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:16:56 +0200 > > 7heo <7heo@mail.com> wrote: > > > >> I would also get rid of the iso format as the main one, as nobody > >> burns installation medias anymore. It would be much better to have a > >> dd'able installation image. > > > > The .iso format has only served as an archive format, which you can > > easily boot directly in qemu. > > > > You can also use 7zip in windows to extract the files and run > > syslinux.exe. I doubt that is ever done though. > > > > Maybe a dd'able isohybrid or something would work? > > > > But we will also need some storage on the bootable media in case you > > want to run diskeless. for some storage on dd'able boot media from > > isohybrid would require user to create a second partition for apkovl. > > > > If we have an dd'able boot image with vfat file system we will also > > need add a second partition for apkovl as fat does not support resize. > > > > If we do dd'able boot media that is not fat, but ext4 or similar, then > > we lose the ability to copy the apkovl on a windows system. > > > > For UEFI we will probably need separate boot partition on fat anyway? > > > > Is it possible to create a dd'able image file which has a GPT which can > > resize the data storage partition? > > > > -nc > > > > > > --- > > Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org > > Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org > > --- > > --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Fri Mar 29 05:37:10 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.alpinelinux.org (dallas-a1.alpinelinux.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB253DCE9B2 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D19FDCC378 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbcao8 with SMTP id ao8so138333192lbc.3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:01:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P44VSOb80nNs2tECyqQhwGET6Ftf34ihSI1/3omTyTI=; b=sCw0OvysgNQIDVWLrW1suFISHBe6/3G79SHDS0c9h3MrQcKYFCH+z7GC5xTCaOUgB5 St09ZD72mSJ2q2Ygs1CbvX1XqlFKf48jMLIjQ9/Vy6jM1VMxO+hPJHXxLzwnEqoaKI+O vZCsvFeEPZeuZoI5YlBBTO4UoqQqAU14Cgg2URTj5ktysaH5MtR+1N8R5HKcu9exgF7/ lhQZqrfZBJ68WNGkQ4Xupqo8XajhmFLUU19wdHJOIutQQg5JCz6uXD0vXK1HvD8w3YHy zdd6gGGrue1kBnXHWUkZUIO8YrHxsw9Op5UrjmSzCQR58/cATmTvyORXw2uh8ZBI6wbP KsUQ== X-Received: by 10.112.184.196 with SMTP id ew4mr14199729lbc.17.1445248864435; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vostro ([2001:1bc8:101:f402:21a:9fff:fe0c:4022]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x142sm2183634lfd.42.2015.10.19.03.01.03 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: =?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Ter=C3=A4s?= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:00:59 +0300 From: Timo Teras To: Natanael Copa Cc: Alan Pillay , 7heo <7heo@mail.com>, AlpineLinux ML Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs Message-ID: <20151019130059.64c87fd1@vostro> In-Reply-To: <20151019113821.36cda05f@ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org> References: <20151018202520.471ac3d7@ncopa-laptop> <20151019113821.36cda05f@ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:38:21 +0200 Natanael Copa wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:46:37 -0200 > Alan Pillay wrote: > > > I actually still burn .ISO to CD, but maybe that's just me? > > An option would be to provide both the .iso and the dd'able image. > > But I'm not sure if the developers have enough infrastructure for > > this double release. > > > > Discussion has been all about the release format so far, but how do > > you guys feel about the proposal of making the MINI image become the > > STANDARD image? I think the great majority of people don't use > > Alpine as a router/firewall/etc anymore and the current standard > > image comes with many programs only a few people use. > > I agree that we want make the alpine-mini to the standard image. > > The bigger iso image (currently standard) is only useful for diskless > installs where you can have most of the needed packages on the iso. > The question is what we rename it to? > > alpine-offline? > alpine-live? > > I don't know what would be a good description for it. > > Or we only drop it? Probably keep for one release cycle. After that I'd like to see scripts / mechanism to easily build custom installation images. Such that we can give apkovl and it gives boot media back. This would be useful for 'appliance' type setups. I have no good suggestions for renaming them. But renaming current standard as 'network' is confusing, since I'd assume 'network' image to require network for installing everything. Same goes for 'live'. 'offline' sounds best so far. Or maybe just call it 'large' or 'full' ? /Timo --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org --- From nobody Fri Mar 29 05:37:10 2024 X-Original-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Delivered-To: alpine-devel@mail.alpinelinux.org Received: from mail.alpinelinux.org (dallas-a1.alpinelinux.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F489DCA6FA for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp3.skymesh.com.au (mp3.skymesh.com.au [180.181.128.93]) by mail.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC580DC029F for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.5.2] (unknown [180.181.41.251]) by mp3.skymesh.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BECA4BE60; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:07:32 +1000 (AEST) Message-ID: <562433B8.7030304@skymesh.com.au> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:05:12 +1100 From: lamiaworks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 X-Mailinglist: alpine-devel Precedence: list List-Id: Alpine Development List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 7heo <7heo@mail.com>, alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org Subject: Re: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP On 10/18/2015 11:16 PM, 7heo wrote: >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:46 PM >> From: "Alan Pillay" >> To: alpine-devel@lists.alpinelinux.org >> Subject: [alpine-devel] Rename proposal of alpine .ISOs >> The current Standard" .iso" on http://www.alpinelinux.org/downloads/ >> is of the alpine Linux distribution + lots of packages to use it as a >> router/firewall/etc as was alpine's first goal. However, I think most >> people nowadays don't use it like that anymore. Also, there's nothing >> in the name to indicate the "Standard" .iso"comes with all those >> things. Because of that most people downloading alpine are installing >> many packages they never touch. What they actually are looking for is >> probably the "Mini" .iso. Not only that, but the "Vanilla" .iso is the >> "Mini" .iso with linux vanilla kernel, but there's nothing to indicate >> that, and it looks like Vanilla is the "Standard" .iso with some >> modifications. >> With all this put, I propose the following: >> >> Standard -> Network (Router/Firewall/VPN/VoIP/etc) >> Mini -> Standard >> >> What does everyone think? >> I believe this is what makes the most sense now that Alpine is a >> general purpose distribution. >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> >> --- >> Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org >> Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org >> --- > > I would also get rid of the iso format as the main one, as nobody burns installation medias anymore. It would be much better to have a dd'able installation image. > My 2 bits, sorry but I'd like to disagree with this, I find iso format's perfect for test and trialing. Also for passing on to windows users as they seem to be able to burn them correctly first go. thanks scsijon --- Unsubscribe: alpine-devel+unsubscribe@lists.alpinelinux.org Help: alpine-devel+help@lists.alpinelinux.org ---