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Yahoo, my webmai= l provider decided to truncate my emails unless I pay for the "premium" ser= vice. I only see the=C2=A0 first ~30 lines of this email. I'm going to move= my webmail somewhere else (any suggestion?). In the mean time I'm going to= work with alpine and when I'll get smarter, I'll try to contribute to clea= nup the wiki. On Monday, January 4, 2021, 11:53:18 AM UTC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote: =20 =20 El lun, 4 de ene. de 2021 a la(s) 01:06, Joe Sypniewski (sypniew1@yahoo.co= m) escribi=C3=B3: BTW; wiki needs some cleanup and updates. well i was working on that but seems there's many "zealots" here with diffe= rents ideas! so i'm tyred of that shit!=C2=A0 On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 8:29:57 PM UTC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote: =20 =20 El dom, 3 de ene. de 2021 a la(s) 16:05, Joe Sypniewski (sypniew1@yahoo.co= m) escribi=C3=B3: > > - The download for Extended version is 482 MB (x86), versus substantially= smaller other >versions. If I look inside iso; there are two partitions; o= ne is boot and the other is a puzzle;=20 > it has no fs indicator & it looks like empty?=C2=A0men! is a ISO hybrid..= basically as wiki xplain is a live disc like! in fact alpine is a running = system, when you install is just a modification of the real alpine to save = data in fs..=C2=A0check=C2=A0https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_newbi= e_install_manual cos the alpine wiki page ned wifi formating and links > After installation, the system has only busybox, musl, ssl & few other ut= ilities (& kernel).=C2=A0> All this should take couple of megs, so what is = the rest?umm good question.. the problem is that extended has few other pac= kages to made the installation offline that's all.. by example openssh are = included offline > - I'm a debian guy and the deb has a very simple format; with debs I can = create my local> depository that I can move around and install selected pac= kages at will w/o the network.>=C2=A0=C2=A0With local depository I do not h= ave to use anything else, but busybox with dpkg option> compiled. Question = is; can I create a local depository (similar to the above) with apk?i asked= that before in mail list.. search with history > > Again, thank you for your support & I'm trying to learn alpine now as I'm= writing this. > > On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 5:34:33 AM UTC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote: > > > El jue, 31 de dic. de 2020 a la(s) 23:55, escribi=C3=B3: > > December 31, 2020 12:37 PM, "Joe Sypniewski" wrote= : > > > What is the proper way of using alpine w/o the network access? > > Alpine works fine without network access, just not for your use-case. > Bad explained: what you mention that "it works without a network" is > only the base system and not all "alpine" so that's wrong, the core > and linux kernel and common base utilities works without network, but > today based on common need the provided base system its unuseless to > those task.. > > > > What is the difference between "Extended" and other version since "Ex= tended" does not contain any > > > other software? > > Extended just includes a few commonly used utilities. Alpine is > wrong again: extended is only for x86 and x64 on intel/amd > architecture cos is more common, others architectures does not have > extended flavour and will always required mostly networking > > > very much a lego distribution - if you want a desktop environment, > > you're going to have to build it yourself. Which will require some > this depends software that are already package and must be installed from > packages apk files but other you must compile it.. > packages as openrc must be installed by apk repositories cos is best > suid by mantainer that close knows the alpine infrastructure operating > system > > > > way to get .apk files to your box - typically the internet. Though > > you could download them and stick them on a flash drive or similar, > > if internet access is not possible. =20 =20 ------=_Part_5399342_2103773627.1609795046313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unfortunately, I have to dro= p from our lovely discussion. Yahoo, my webmail provider decided to truncat= e my emails unless I pay for the "premium" service. I only see the  fi= rst ~30 lines of this email. I'm going to move my webmail somewhere else (a= ny suggestion?). In the mean time I'm going to work with alpine and when I'= ll get smarter, I'll try to contribute to cleanup the wiki.
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=20
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On Monday, January 4, 2021, 11:53:18 AM UTC, PICCORO Mc= KAY Lenz <mckaygerhard@gmail.com> wrote:


El lun, 4 de ene. de 2021 a la(s) 01:06, Joe Sypniews= ki (sypniew1@yahoo.com) escribi=C3=B3:
<= /div>
BTW; wiki needs some cleanup and updates.

well i was working on that but seems there's many "zealots" here with diff= erents ideas! so i'm tyred of that shit!
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On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 8:29:57 PM UTC, PICCORO McK= AY Lenz <mckaygerhard@gmail.com> wrote:


El dom, 3 de ene. = de 2021 a la(s) 16:05, Joe Sypniewski (sypniew1@yahoo.com)= escribi=C3=B3:
>
> - The downloa= d for Extended version is 482 MB (x86), versus substantially smaller other = >versions. If I look inside iso; there are two partitions; one is boot a= nd the other is a puzzle;
> it has no fs indicator &a= mp; it looks like empty? 
men! is a ISO hybrid.. basically as wiki= xplain is a live disc like! in fact alpine is a running system, when you i= nstall is just a modification of the real alpine to save data in fs.. =
check htt= ps://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_newbie_install_manual cos the alp= ine wiki page ned wifi formating and links

> After installation, the system has only busybox, musl, ssl & few= other utilities (& kernel). 
> All this should take = couple of megs, so what is the rest?
umm good question.. the prob= lem is that extended has few other packages to made the installation offlin= e that's all.. by example openssh are included offline

> - I'm a debian guy and the deb has a very simple format; wit= h debs I can create my local
> depository that I can move arou= nd and install selected packages at will w/o the network.
>&nb= sp; With local depository I do not have to use anything else, but busy= box with dpkg option
> compiled. Question is; can I create a l= ocal depository (similar to the above) with apk?
i asked that bef= ore in mail list.. search with history
>
> Again, thank you for your supp= ort & I'm trying to learn alpine now as I'm writing this.
>
> On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 5:34:33 AM U= TC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
>
>= El jue, 31 de dic. de 2020 a la(s) 23:55, <j3s@c3f.net> es= cribi=C3=B3:
> > December 31, 2020 12:37 PM, "Joe S= ypniewski" <sypniew1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > What is the proper way of using alpine w/o the network = access?
> > Alpine works fine without network acces= s, just not for your use-case.
> Bad explained: what y= ou mention that "it works without a network" is
> only= the base system and not all "alpine" so that's wrong, the core
> and linux kernel and common base utilities works without networ= k, but
> today based on common need the provided base = system its unuseless to
> those task..
>
> > > What is the difference between "Ex= tended" and other version since "Extended" does not contain any
> > > other software?
> > Extended = just includes a few commonly used utilities. Alpine is
&g= t; wrong again: extended is only for x86 and x64 on intel/amd
> architecture cos is more common, others architectures does not ha= ve
> extended flavour and will always required mostly = networking
>
> > very much a l= ego distribution - if you want a desktop environment,
>= ; > you're going to have to build it yourself. Which will require some> this depends software that are already package and mu= st be installed from
> packages apk files but other yo= u must compile it..
> packages as openrc must be insta= lled by apk repositories cos is best
> suid by mantain= er that close knows the alpine infrastructure operating
&= gt; system
>
>
= > > way to get .apk files to your box - typically the internet. Thoug= h
> > you could download them and stick them on a f= lash drive or similar,
> > if internet access is no= t possible.
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