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I have downloaded Extended version assuming that many packages will be avai= lable inside this 482 meg image, so I was mistaken. I have followed the wik= i and have chosen option "Sys Disk Mode", which is:"This is a traditional h= ard-disk install. If this mode is selected, the setup-alpine script default= s to create three partitions on the selected storage device, /boot, swap an= d / (the filesystem root). This mode may be used for generic desktop and de= velopment machines, for example."Normally I can always add an empty partiti= on and use it (w/o downloading). It is not important what mystery partition= contain or not; the most important is the first question; can I use & buil= d alpine w/o the network? I'll check the previous mailing & other wikis to answer the question, how t= o setup local depository for later usage? I would very much appreciate pointing me in the right direction. On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 8:29:57 PM UTC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote: =20 =20 El dom, 3 de ene. de 2021 a la(s) 16:05, Joe Sypniewski (sypniew1@yahoo.co= m) escribi=C3=B3: > > - The download for Extended version is 482 MB (x86), versus substantially= smaller other >versions. If I look inside iso; there are two partitions; o= ne is boot and the other is a puzzle;=20 > it has no fs indicator & it looks like empty?=C2=A0men! is a ISO hybrid..= basically as wiki xplain is a live disc like! in fact alpine is a running = system, when you install is just a modification of the real alpine to save = data in fs..=C2=A0check=C2=A0https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_newbi= e_install_manual cos the alpine wiki page ned wifi formating and links > After installation, the system has only busybox, musl, ssl & few other ut= ilities (& kernel).=C2=A0> All this should take couple of megs, so what is = the rest?umm good question.. the problem is that extended has few other pac= kages to made the installation offline that's all.. by example openssh are = included offline > - I'm a debian guy and the deb has a very simple format; with debs I can = create my local> depository that I can move around and install selected pac= kages at will w/o the network.>=C2=A0=C2=A0With local depository I do not h= ave to use anything else, but busybox with dpkg option> compiled. Question = is; can I create a local depository (similar to the above) with apk?i asked= that before in mail list.. search with history > > Again, thank you for your support & I'm trying to learn alpine now as I'm= writing this. > > On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 5:34:33 AM UTC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote: > > > El jue, 31 de dic. de 2020 a la(s) 23:55, escribi=C3=B3: > > December 31, 2020 12:37 PM, "Joe Sypniewski" wrote= : > > > What is the proper way of using alpine w/o the network access? > > Alpine works fine without network access, just not for your use-case. > Bad explained: what you mention that "it works without a network" is > only the base system and not all "alpine" so that's wrong, the core > and linux kernel and common base utilities works without network, but > today based on common need the provided base system its unuseless to > those task.. > > > > What is the difference between "Extended" and other version since "Ex= tended" does not contain any > > > other software? > > Extended just includes a few commonly used utilities. Alpine is > wrong again: extended is only for x86 and x64 on intel/amd > architecture cos is more common, others architectures does not have > extended flavour and will always required mostly networking > > > very much a lego distribution - if you want a desktop environment, > > you're going to have to build it yourself. Which will require some > this depends software that are already package and must be installed from > packages apk files but other you must compile it.. > packages as openrc must be installed by apk repositories cos is best > suid by mantainer that close knows the alpine infrastructure operating > system > > > > way to get .apk files to your box - typically the internet. Though > > you could download them and stick them on a flash drive or similar, > > if internet access is not possible. =20 ------=_Part_9825_1427239581.1609730145100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The basic question: Can I us= e the provided images and install version of alpine on computes that is com= pletely OFF line?

I have downloaded Extended version assu= ming that many packages will be available inside this 482 meg image, so I w= as mistaken.
I have followed t= he wiki and have chosen option "Sys Disk Mode", which is:
"This is a traditional h= ard-disk install. If this mode is selected, the setup-alpine script defaults to create three partitions on the selected storage devic= e, /boot, swap and / (the filesystem root). This mo= de may be used for generic des= ktop and development machines, for example."
Normally I can always add an empty partition= and use it (w/o downloading). It is not important what mystery partition c= ontain or not; the most important is the first question; can I use & bu= ild alpine w/o the network?

I'l= l check the previous mailing & other wikis to answer the question, how = to setup local depository for later usage?
I would very much appreciate pointing me in th= e right direction.



=20
=20
On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 8:29:57 PM UTC, PICCORO McK= AY Lenz <mckaygerhard@gmail.com> wrote:


El dom, 3 de ene. de 2021 a la(s) 16:05, Joe Sypniewski (= sypniew1@yahoo.com) escribi=C3=B3:
>
> - The download for Extended version is 482 MB (x86), versus subst= antially smaller other >versions. If I look inside iso; there are two pa= rtitions; one is boot and the other is a puzzle;
> it= has no fs indicator & it looks like empty? 
men! is a ISO hyb= rid.. basically as wiki xplain is a live disc like! in fact alpine is a run= ning system, when you install is just a modification of the real alpine to = save data in fs.. 
check https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_newbie_install= _manual cos the alpine wiki page ned wifi formating and links

> After installation, the system has only busyb= ox, musl, ssl & few other utilities (& kernel). 
>= ; All this should take couple of megs, so what is the rest?
umm g= ood question.. the problem is that extended has few other packages to made = the installation offline that's all.. by example openssh are included offli= ne

> - I'm a debian guy and the deb has a v= ery simple format; with debs I can create my local
> depositor= y that I can move around and install selected packages at will w/o the netw= ork.
>  With local depository I do not have to use a= nything else, but busybox with dpkg option
> compiled. Questio= n is; can I create a local depository (similar to the above) with apk?
i asked that before in mail list.. search with history

>
> Again, thank= you for your support & I'm trying to learn alpine now as I'm writing t= his.
>
> On Saturday, January 2, = 2021, 5:34:33 AM UTC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard@= gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> El jue, 31 de dic. de 2020 a la(s) 23:55, <j3= s@c3f.net> escribi=C3=B3:
> > December 31, 2= 020 12:37 PM, "Joe Sypniewski" <sypniew1@yahoo.com> = wrote:
> > > What is the proper way of using alp= ine w/o the network access?
> > Alpine works fine w= ithout network access, just not for your use-case.
> B= ad explained: what you mention that "it works without a network" is
> only the base system and not all "alpine" so that's wrong, = the core
> and linux kernel and common base utilities = works without network, but
> today based on common nee= d the provided base system its unuseless to
> those ta= sk..
>
> > > What is the di= fference between "Extended" and other version since "Extended" does not con= tain any
> > > other software?
> > Extended just includes a few commonly used utilities. Alpine is<= br clear=3D"none">> wrong again: extended is only for x86 and x64 on int= el/amd
> architecture cos is more common, others archi= tectures does not have
> extended flavour and will alw= ays required mostly networking
>
>= ; > very much a lego distribution - if you want a desktop environment,> > you're going to have to build it yourself. Which= will require some
> this depends software that are al= ready package and must be installed from
> packages ap= k files but other you must compile it..
> packages as = openrc must be installed by apk repositories cos is best
= > suid by mantainer that close knows the alpine infrastructure operating=
> system
>
>= ;
> > way to get .apk files to your box - typically= the internet. Though
> > you could download them a= nd stick them on a flash drive or similar,
> > if i= nternet access is not possible.
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