Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 20:07:25 +0100
From: tlaronde@polynum.com
To: Paul Zillmann <p.zillmann@h6g.de>
Cc: ~alpine/users@lists.alpinelinux.org
Subject: Re: Fluxbox: AltGr not working (azerty keyboard)
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Just a supplementary note:

I switched under Windows (8.x) with Edge, on the same machine (same
keyboard), and I have the same problem.

If I switch to a German mapping, I don't get AltGr either.

My keyboard is USB connected. Is your keyboard USB or PS/2 connected?
Because, IIRC, there is a USB specific Hid specification for the mapping
and it has nothing to do with what was done before.

Best,

T. Laronde

On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 07:20:32PM +0100, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
> Hello Paul,
> 
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 06:52:30PM +0100, Paul Zillmann wrote:
> > Hello Thierry,
> > 
> > I have some issues understanding your problem.
> > 
> > Is your issues that some characters in the linked emulator won't work, is
> > the problem specific to your kerTeX software?
> 
> Not with kerTeX but with input from the keyboard in the emulator. As
> long as I use an US QWERTY keyboard mapping everything is fine, if I
> select, from the Fluxbox menu a "french" mapping, all the characters
> accessed composing via AltRight key do not work: I get the normal
> character associated with the key; if I use shift+AltRight, the shifted;
> and never the character accessed by AltRight+key.
> 
> > Besides that I was unable to locate kerTeX in the Apline repositories.
> > 
> 
> kerTeX is not packaged: it compiles and installs to almost every OS
> (Alpine included) using its own framework (Plan9, *BSD, Linuces, MacOSX,
> Windows with a POSIX subsystem for now, but "native" soon. It's libre
> software under a BSD like licence:
> 
> http://kertex.kergis.com/
> 
> (for the ones who want to try just download the get_mk_install.sh and
> run it---caveats you need a true ed(1) and not the one from Busybox that
> is sed masquerading as ed(1)).
> 
> > Anyway I've tried the emulator - Alpine 3.12 X Window - changed the keyboard
> > settings to German.
> > I've opened a terminal and a text editor - both took pipes and other
> > characters accessed by the AltGr key.
> > I'm working with a native German keyboard (QWERTZ) under Manjaro Linux.
> > 
> > I've tried both Firefox 82.0.2 and Chromium 86.0.4240.111 and both worked
> > fine.
> 
> > I'll check on a Windows machine soon.
> > 
> > Can you describe your test-scenario for us?
> > What OS are you using, which browser, what's your native keyboard layout -
> > am I testing this right or wrong?
> > 
> 
> I'm on NetBSD/amd64 with Firefox 71.0 and vanilla Xorg with twm and
> that's all.
> 
> I have a french azerty pc105 keyboard, USB connected.
> 
> Firefox gets the correct keys. But the emulator windows not (indeed, the
> layers are so numerous that the problem could indeed be in the 
> javascript engine and not in the "final" alpine).
> 
> Thank you for your help!
> 
> > 
> > Am 05.11.20 um 16:52 schrieb tlaronde@polynum.com:
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >Fabrice Bellard has developed an emulator in JavaScript, and it is now
> > >possible to have, in a browser, Alpine/i586 running. See:
> > >
> > >https://bellard.org/jslinux/
> > >
> > >I'm the developper of KerTeX, a TeX and al. distribution and I'd like
> > >to let people try it without installing, thus on Alpine/i586 in
> > >JSLinux, the X11 version (there is also a console only version).
> > >
> > >No problem with kerTeX: it works.
> > >
> > >The problem is for non QWERTY users. If I switch the keyboard (right
> > >click menu -> keyboard mapping-> french), all is OK except all the
> > >letters that are accessed with AltGr---and Alt and AltGr simply don't
> > >work (preventing from using backslash or pipe, and this is quite a
> > >problem).
> > >
> > >There is no problem with console only (another choice with Alpine Linux
> > >on the page above).
> > >
> > >I have searched the Internet about this. There are quite a lot of
> > >similar issues (not only with Alpine or Fluxbox) but no real solution. I
> > >have tried several "solutions" but the result is the same, or worse.
> > >
> > >Does somebody have any clue?
> > >
> > >TIA
> 
> -- 
>         Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
>                      http://www.kergis.com/
>                     http://kertex.kergis.com/
>                        http://www.sbfa.fr/
> Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C

-- 
        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
                     http://www.kergis.com/
                    http://kertex.kergis.com/
                       http://www.sbfa.fr/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C