Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:19:10 +0100
From: tlaronde@polynum.com
To: Paul Zillmann <p.zillmann@h6g.de>
Cc: ~alpine/users@lists.alpinelinux.org
Subject: Re: Fluxbox: AltGr not working (azerty keyboard)
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Hello Paul,

On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 10:30:34PM +0100, Paul Zillmann wrote:
> Hey Thierry,
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> Am 05.11.20 um 20:07 schrieb tlaronde@polynum.com:
> >Just a supplementary note:
> >
> >I switched under Windows (8.x) with Edge, on the same machine (same
> >keyboard), and I have the same problem.
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> I had no luck under Windows 10 either. Tried Edge (the older version),
> Chromium and Firefox.
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> >If I switch to a German mapping, I don't get AltGr either.
> >
> >My keyboard is USB connected. Is your keyboard USB or PS/2 connected?
> >Because, IIRC, there is a USB specific Hid specification for the mapping
> >and it has nothing to do with what was done before.
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> With Windows that was USB and VirtIO Input (PCIe that is, I guess...).
> With Linux both USB native and PS/2 native worked.
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> The terminal thingy should be really easy - a TTY in a browser is easy to
> code.
> Since you can use textareas all inputs can come from the browser natively.
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> Framebuffer are a completely different story. I don't know what is used
> here, could be WebAssembly, could be different ECMAScript versions accord=
ing
> to the browser's capabilities.
> Maybe they use input libraries - could be a polling method.
> Only Fabrice Bellard could give you that info - or someone who read the
> source code.
> Have you talked to the developer?
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> Btw. strangely the third assignment works for some keys. The Y key has a
> third assignment of "=BB" in the German layout. This works fine in Window=
s.
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> Maybe I'm going to check that out with FreeBSD. Unfortunately I've never
> used NetBSD.

Thank you to have taken the time to test and to confirm that there is
indeed a problem (i.e. it's not only a weird hardware problem on my side).

From a cursory look to the sources, there is a keymap mapping in the JS
code so I will indeed ask Fabrice Bellard if he has some clue.

Best,

T. Laronde

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> Good luck,
> - Paul
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> >Best,
> >
> >T. Laronde
> >
> >On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 07:20:32PM +0100, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
> >>Hello Paul,
> >>
> >>On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 06:52:30PM +0100, Paul Zillmann wrote:
> >>>Hello Thierry,
> >>>
> >>>I have some issues understanding your problem.
> >>>
> >>>Is your issues that some characters in the linked emulator won't work,=
 is
> >>>the problem specific to your kerTeX software?
> >>Not with kerTeX but with input from the keyboard in the emulator. As
> >>long as I use an US QWERTY keyboard mapping everything is fine, if I
> >>select, from the Fluxbox menu a "french" mapping, all the characters
> >>accessed composing via AltRight key do not work: I get the normal
> >>character associated with the key; if I use shift+AltRight, the shifted;
> >>and never the character accessed by AltRight+key.
> >>
> >>>Besides that I was unable to locate kerTeX in the Apline repositories.
> >>>
> >>kerTeX is not packaged: it compiles and installs to almost every OS
> >>(Alpine included) using its own framework (Plan9, *BSD, Linuces, MacOSX,
> >>Windows with a POSIX subsystem for now, but "native" soon. It's libre
> >>software under a BSD like licence:
> >>
> >>http://kertex.kergis.com/
> >>
> >>(for the ones who want to try just download the get_mk_install.sh and
> >>run it---caveats you need a true ed(1) and not the one from Busybox that
> >>is sed masquerading as ed(1)).
> >>
> >>>Anyway I've tried the emulator - Alpine 3.12 X Window - changed the ke=
yboard
> >>>settings to German.
> >>>I've opened a terminal and a text editor - both took pipes and other
> >>>characters accessed by the AltGr key.
> >>>I'm working with a native German keyboard (QWERTZ) under Manjaro Linux.
> >>>
> >>>I've tried both Firefox 82.0.2 and Chromium 86.0.4240.111 and both wor=
ked
> >>>fine.
> >>>I'll check on a Windows machine soon.
> >>>
> >>>Can you describe your test-scenario for us?
> >>>What OS are you using, which browser, what's your native keyboard layo=
ut -
> >>>am I testing this right or wrong?
> >>>
> >>I'm on NetBSD/amd64 with Firefox 71.0 and vanilla Xorg with twm and
> >>that's all.
> >>
> >>I have a french azerty pc105 keyboard, USB connected.
> >>
> >>Firefox gets the correct keys. But the emulator windows not (indeed, the
> >>layers are so numerous that the problem could indeed be in the
> >>javascript engine and not in the "final" alpine).
> >>
> >>Thank you for your help!
> >>
> >>>Am 05.11.20 um 16:52 schrieb tlaronde@polynum.com:
> >>>>Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>>Fabrice Bellard has developed an emulator in JavaScript, and it is now
> >>>>possible to have, in a browser, Alpine/i586 running. See:
> >>>>
> >>>>https://bellard.org/jslinux/
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm the developper of KerTeX, a TeX and al. distribution and I'd like
> >>>>to let people try it without installing, thus on Alpine/i586 in
> >>>>JSLinux, the X11 version (there is also a console only version).
> >>>>
> >>>>No problem with kerTeX: it works.
> >>>>
> >>>>The problem is for non QWERTY users. If I switch the keyboard (right
> >>>>click menu -> keyboard mapping-> french), all is OK except all the
> >>>>letters that are accessed with AltGr---and Alt and AltGr simply don't
> >>>>work (preventing from using backslash or pipe, and this is quite a
> >>>>problem).
> >>>>
> >>>>There is no problem with console only (another choice with Alpine Lin=
ux
> >>>>on the page above).
> >>>>
> >>>>I have searched the Internet about this. There are quite a lot of
> >>>>similar issues (not only with Alpine or Fluxbox) but no real solution=
. I
> >>>>have tried several "solutions" but the result is the same, or worse.
> >>>>
> >>>>Does somebody have any clue?
> >>>>
> >>>>TIA
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> >>         Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
> >>                      http://www.kergis.com/
> >>                     http://kertex.kergis.com/
> >>                        http://www.sbfa.fr/
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> --=20
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        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
                     http://www.kergis.com/
                    http://kertex.kergis.com/
                       http://www.sbfa.fr/
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