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First I'm just "breaking my teeth" on alpine, so= my questions maybe too basic, but I would like to clarify: - The download for Extended version is 482 MB (x86), versus substantially s= maller other versions. If I look inside iso; there are two partitions; one = is boot and the other is a puzzle; it has no fs indicator & it looks like e= mpty? After installation, the system has only busybox, musl, ssl & few othe= r utilities (& kernel). All this should take couple of megs, so what is the= rest?- I'm a debian guy and the deb has a very simple format; with debs I = can create my local depository that I can move around and install selected = packages at will w/o the network. With local depository I do not have to us= e anything else, but busybox with dpkg option compiled. Question is; can I = create a local depository (similar to the above) with apk? Again, thank you for your support & I'm trying to learn alpine now as I'm w= riting this. On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 5:34:33 AM UTC, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote: =20 =20 El jue, 31 de dic. de 2020 a la(s) 23:55, escribi=C3=B3: > December 31, 2020 12:37 PM, "Joe Sypniewski" wrote: > > What is the proper way of using alpine w/o the network access? > Alpine works fine without network access, just not for your use-case. Bad explained: what you mention that "it works without a network" is only the base system and not all "alpine" so that's wrong, the core and linux kernel and common base utilities works without network, but today based on common need the provided base system its unuseless to those task.. > > What is the difference between "Extended" and other version since "Exte= nded" does not contain any > > other software? > Extended just includes a few commonly used utilities. Alpine is wrong again: extended is only for x86 and x64 on intel/amd architecture cos is more common, others architectures does not have extended flavour and will always required mostly networking > very much a lego distribution - if you want a desktop environment, > you're going to have to build it yourself. Which will require some this depends software that are already package and must be installed from packages apk files but other you must compile it.. packages as openrc must be installed by apk repositories cos is best suid by mantainer that close knows the alpine infrastructure operating system > way to get .apk files to your box - typically the internet. Though > you could download them and stick them on a flash drive or similar, > if internet access is not possible. =20 ------=_Part_5085414_489328577.1609704310970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank your guys for help. Fi= rst I'm just "breaking my teeth" on alpine, so my questions maybe too basic= , but I would like to clarify:
=
- The download for Extende= d version is 482 MB (x86), versus substantially smaller other versions. If = I look inside iso; there are two partitions; one is boot and the other is a= puzzle; it has no fs indicator & it looks like empty? After installati= on, the system has only busybox, musl, ssl & few other utilities (&= kernel). All this should take couple of megs, so what is the rest?
- I'm a debian guy and the deb has a v= ery simple format; with debs I can create my local depository that I can mo= ve around and install selected packages at will w/o the network. With local= depository I do not have to use anything else, but busybox with dpkg optio= n compiled. Question is; can I create a local depository (similar to the ab= ove) with apk?

Again, thank you for your support & I'= m trying to learn alpine now as I'm writing this.

=20
=20
On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 5:34:33 AM UTC, PICCORO M= cKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard@gmail.com> wrote:


El jue, 31 de dic. de 2020 a la(s) 23= :55, <j3s@c3f.net> escribi=C3=B3:
> De= cember 31, 2020 12:37 PM, "Joe Sypniewski" <sypniew1@yahoo.= com> wrote:
> > What is the proper way of us= ing alpine w/o the network access?
> Alpine works fine= without network access, just not for your use-case.
Bad = explained: what you mention that "it works without a network" is
only the base system and not all "alpine" so that's wrong, the co= re
and linux kernel and common base utilities works witho= ut network, but
today based on common need the provided b= ase system its unuseless to
those task..

> > What is the difference between "Extended" an= d other version since "Extended" does not contain any
>= ; > other software?
> Extended just includes a few = commonly used utilities. Alpine is
wrong again: extended = is only for x86 and x64 on intel/amd
architecture cos is = more common, others architectures does not have
extended = flavour and will always required mostly networking

> very much a lego distribution - if you want a desktop env= ironment,
> you're going to have to build it yourself.= Which will require some
this depends software that are a= lready package and must be installed from
packages apk fi= les but other you must compile it..
packages as openrc mu= st be installed by apk repositories cos is best
suid by m= antainer that close knows the alpine infrastructure operating
system


> way to get .apk files to your= box - typically the internet. Though
> you could down= load them and stick them on a flash drive or similar,
>= ; if internet access is not possible.
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