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From: "Ariadne Conill" <ariadne@dereferenced.org>
Message-ID: <36750c8b5eef3137646e79a9f623976a@dereferenced.org>
Subject: Re: mkfs.vfat are but not ext3? why only extended images are
 offline installable?
To: "Natanael Copa" <ncopa@alpinelinux.org>, "PICCORO McKAY Lenz"
 <mckaygerhard@gmail.com>
Cc: "alpine-user" <alpine-user@lists.alpinelinux.org>
In-Reply-To: <20200123103135.07ed781a@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw>
References: <20200123103135.07ed781a@ncopa-desktop.copa.dup.pw>
 <CALci+FSFi1WxmG4bSCGsmB1+xR9icw_ramkp-yLVUGJJjRJ0CA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,=0A=0AJanuary 23, 2020 3:31 AM, "Natanael Copa" <ncopa@alpinelinux.=
org> wrote:=0A=0A> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 16:21:42 -0400=0A> PICCORO McKAY L=
enz <mckaygerhard@gmail.com> wrote:=0A> =0A>> as of handbook said only ex=
tended are offline install able,=0A>> BUT THAT ARE ONLY IN x86 ARCHS, no =
arm/virtual offline media could be found=0A>> and that causes lot of trou=
bles!=0A> =0A> That is the price we are paying for small release media. T=
he idea is=0A> that you will likely need network to get the latest securi=
ty updates=0A> anyway, and it is nice to get those while doing the instal=
l rather than=0A> first install to disk and then update. It is also not k=
now exactly what=0A> applications the user wants so an offline iso would =
need a wide range=0A> of different possible combinations a user may want.=
 This again means=0A> that the offline iso will be big and most users wil=
l not use majority=0A> of the contents there. So the big iso download res=
ult in a waste of=0A> bandwidth, both for users and for all the alpine mi=
rrors. Better have=0A> the release media small and let users only downloa=
d what they need when=0A> they need it.=0A> =0A> You can use the extended=
 in a virtual environment. For other=0A> architectures you need network.=
=0A> =0A>> i tested all and this are the problems .. due in my home there=
's no=0A>> networking;=0A>> also for virtual ones there's some troubles i=
f need network in prior stage=0A>> of..=0A>> what about if i have a xtran=
ge network card in newer hardware?=0A>> =0A>> 1) put media dn boot=0A>> 2=
) logi as root, of course no password=0A>> * setup-keymap es es=0A>> * se=
tup-timezone -z UTC=0A>> * fdisk /dev/sda=0A>> * input secuence: `o, n, p=
, 2048, +100G, n, p, enter, +4G, t, 2, 82, w`=0A>> * mkfs.ext3 -b 2048 /d=
ev/sda1=0A>> =0A>> here said that only have available the stupid mkfs.vfa=
t .. incredible.. but=0A>> not mkfs.ext3?=0A> =0A> mkfs.vfat is an applet=
 in busybox. e2fsprogs was excluded because not=0A> everyone uses ext3/4,=
 and you will need network to fetch the kernel=0A> anyways.=0A=0AIt would=
 be nice if we could make the extended profile work for fully=0Aoffline i=
nstallation.  I think the additional ~40MB of packages would=0Abe worth i=
t.=0A=0AAriadne