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Subject: Re: Blind User Needs to Have All Mail Presented at start
From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf@riseup.net>
To: ~alpine/users@lists.alpinelinux.org
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:47:04 +0100
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On Thu, 2023-11-30 at 00:03 +0100, =D0=A1=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=85=D0=B8=D1=
=9A=D0=B0 =D0=A0=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D1=9B wrote:
> On 23/11/29 08:06PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I have got an install on my PC, while you can use it for daily work, I
> > don't do so. The all-day commands provided by busybox are not 100%
> > identical to the commands you are used from major distros. A lot of
> > commands are linked against busybox [1].=20
>=20
> I use Alpine on desktop. The "inadequacy" of Alpine for desktop is a wide=
spread=20
> myth, which needs to stop. Flatpak, DBus, and many graphical programs are=
=20
> available on Alpine.

Hi,

actually I don't spread this "myth".

> If one really can't live without the GNU versions of standard utilities, =
they=20
> are available in the repos:
>=20
> 	apk info coreutils
> 	apk info sed
> 	apk info awk
> 	apk info bash
>=20
> and so on, but Busybox is also quite usable when one restrains oneself to=
 using=20
> POSIX instead of GNU-isms. (It's not that hard!)

Nobody said that it's hard. If somebody wants a real POSIX experience,
it's also not hard to install FreeBSD.

Keep in mind the OP probably confused Alpine the MUA with Alpine the
distro. At least the OP asked for a "console level interface
installation with a screen reader".

IMO it doesn't harm to mention that Alpine isn't comparable to e.g.
Ubuntu and that even if a more user-centric approach is wanted, a distro
such as Arch Linux, Gentoo etc. might be more suitable for many users. A
wide variety of needs, even niche needs, are better supported by other
distros.

Summarised

That "Alpine Linux is built around musl libc and busybox" is from
https://www.alpinelinux.org/about/ . While a real Linux standard base
never existed, you probably agree that at least a base Alpin install is
quite unusual for most Linux based desktop computers.

IMO it's worth mentioning, just in case ...

Regards,
Ralf