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From: Prabu Anand Kalivaradhan <kprabuanand@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 19:45:32 +0530
Message-ID: <CAAt6f0b3R4QeqJ9cyFV1-aJT4w04-ZrJNPCidXRTM2KZNomohw@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pipewire user service after upgrade to 3.23
To: Ian Smith <m4r35n357@gmx.co.uk>
Cc: ~alpine/users@lists.alpinelinux.org
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from the  /etc/xdg/autostart i assume you're running Xfce and
*xfce4-session,*the Xfce session manager will start the
services/applications listed there. Since pipewire-launcher is listed
there, it starts the pipewire and results in conflict with user service.
As mentioned in https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/PipeWire#Launch_PipeWire,
running both will result in conflicts. Please remove the pipewire.desktop
from the autostart folder, to manage pipewire using user service.

$ apk info /etc/xdg/autostart/pipewire.desktop  --who-owns
/etc/xdg/autostart/pipewire.desktop is owned by pipewire-1.4.9-r2
$ cat /etc/xdg/autostart/pipewire.desktop
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Pipewire
Comment=Start Pipewire
Exec=/usr/libexec/pipewire-launcher
Terminal=false
Type=Application
X-KDE-autostart-phase=1
X-GNOME-HiddenUnderSystemd=true
X-systemd-skip=true

On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 at 15:46, Ian Smith <m4r35n357@gmx.co.uk> wrote:

> More information:
>
> $ rc-status -Ua
> Runlevel: gui
>  pipewire                                                          [
> stopped  ] Dynamic Runlevel: hotplugged
> Dynamic Runlevel: needed/wanted
> Dynamic Runlevel: manual
>
> $ ls -lAh /etc/xdg/autostart
> total 60K
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  209 Nov 28 19:52 .pipewire.desktop
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  296 Nov 23 10:44 at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.7K Nov 30 16:23 gnome-keyring-pkcs11.desktop
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.2K Nov 30 16:23 gnome-keyring-secrets.desktop
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9K Jan  3  2025 xfce4-power-manager.desktop
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.3K Dec 21  2024 xfce4-screensaver.desktop
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.1K May 30  2025 xfsettingsd.desktop
>
> $ rc-service -U pipewire restart
>  * You are attempting to run an openrc service on a
>  * system which openrc did not boot.
>  * You may be inside a chroot or you may have used
>  * another initialization system to boot this system.
>  * In this situation, you will get unpredictable results!
>  * If you really want to do this, issue the following command:
>  * touch /run/user/1000/openrc/softlevel
>  * ERROR: dbus failed to start
>  * You are attempting to run an openrc service on a
>  * system which openrc did not boot.
>  * You may be inside a chroot or you may have used
>  * another initialization system to boot this system.
>  * In this situation, you will get unpredictable results!
>  * If you really want to do this, issue the following command:
>  * touch /run/user/1000/openrc/softlevel
>  * ERROR: wireplumber failed to start
>  * ERROR: cannot start pipewire as dbus would not start
>
> To reiterate, pipewire IS running and I CAN use more than one audio
> input at a time, so what is happening here?
>
> Ian.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">from the=C2=A0 =
/etc/xdg/autostart i assume you&#39;re running Xfce and=C2=A0<b><code>xfce4=
-session,</code></b><code style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">the Xfce s=
ession manager will start the services/applications listed there. Since pip=
ewire-launcher is listed there, it starts the pipewire and results in confl=
ict with user service.</code>=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As menti=
oned in <a href=3D"https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/PipeWire#Launch_PipeWi=
re">https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/PipeWire#Launch_PipeWire</a>, running=
 both will result in conflicts. Please remove the pipewire.desktop from the=
 autostart folder, to manage pipewire using user service.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">$ apk info /etc/xdg/aut=
ostart/pipewire.desktop =C2=A0--who-owns <br>/etc/xdg/autostart/pipewire.de=
sktop is owned by pipewire-1.4.9-r2<br>$ cat /etc/xdg/autostart/pipewire.de=
sktop<br>[Desktop Entry]<br>Version=3D1.0<br>Name=3DPipewire<br>Comment=3DS=
tart Pipewire<br>Exec=3D/usr/libexec/pipewire-launcher<br>Terminal=3Dfalse<=
br>Type=3DApplication<br>X-KDE-autostart-phase=3D1<br>X-GNOME-HiddenUnderSy=
stemd=3Dtrue<br>X-systemd-skip=3Dtrue</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 12=
 Dec 2025 at 15:46, Ian Smith &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m4r35n357@gmx.co.uk">m4=
r35n357@gmx.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">More information:<br>
<br>
$ rc-status -Ua<br>
Runlevel: gui<br>
=C2=A0pipewire=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [<br>
stopped=C2=A0 ] Dynamic Runlevel: hotplugged<br>
Dynamic Runlevel: needed/wanted<br>
Dynamic Runlevel: manual<br>
<br>
$ ls -lAh /etc/xdg/autostart<br>
total 60K<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root=C2=A0 209 Nov 28 19:52 .pipewire.desktop<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root=C2=A0 296 Nov 23 10:44 at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.7K Nov 30 16:23 gnome-keyring-pkcs11.desktop<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.2K Nov 30 16:23 gnome-keyring-secrets.desktop<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9K Jan=C2=A0 3=C2=A0 2025 xfce4-power-manager.desk=
top<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.3K Dec 21=C2=A0 2024 xfce4-screensaver.desktop<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.1K May 30=C2=A0 2025 xfsettingsd.desktop<br>
<br>
$ rc-service -U pipewire restart<br>
=C2=A0* You are attempting to run an openrc service on a<br>
=C2=A0* system which openrc did not boot.<br>
=C2=A0* You may be inside a chroot or you may have used<br>
=C2=A0* another initialization system to boot this system.<br>
=C2=A0* In this situation, you will get unpredictable results!<br>
=C2=A0* If you really want to do this, issue the following command:<br>
=C2=A0* touch /run/user/1000/openrc/softlevel<br>
=C2=A0* ERROR: dbus failed to start<br>
=C2=A0* You are attempting to run an openrc service on a<br>
=C2=A0* system which openrc did not boot.<br>
=C2=A0* You may be inside a chroot or you may have used<br>
=C2=A0* another initialization system to boot this system.<br>
=C2=A0* In this situation, you will get unpredictable results!<br>
=C2=A0* If you really want to do this, issue the following command:<br>
=C2=A0* touch /run/user/1000/openrc/softlevel<br>
=C2=A0* ERROR: wireplumber failed to start<br>
=C2=A0* ERROR: cannot start pipewire as dbus would not start<br>
<br>
To reiterate, pipewire IS running and I CAN use more than one audio<br>
input at a time, so what is happening here?<br>
<br>
Ian.<br>
</blockquote></div></div>

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