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From: Banibrata Dutta <banibrata.dutta@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 00:42:18 +0530
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Subject: Re: PyPy and in general python (reported) bloat issue
To: ~alpine/users@lists.alpinelinux.org
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PyPy is opensource software, do not understand your point about precompiled
binary blobs ? It is a JIT compiler, and Alpine already ships OpenJDK with
Java JIT compiler.
Python powers ~44% of web-software (with java at about 40%) and ranks
pretty high on the popularity chart (statistica) -- so something at #2
being fugly is a matter of personal opinion.
Alpine is a server-centric distribution, and has fairly good support for
Python (which is very nice).

BTW, looks like someone has been doing this specifically for Docker images
https://github.com/JayH5/alpine-pypy


On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 11:48 PM Vittorio Mori <vittorio.mori@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any package relying on precompiled binary blobs to be "faster" will
> eventually break portability, at some point.
>
> This whole PyPy thing looks pretty fugly, like most Python-related stuff,
> imho.
>
> I'm pretty sure there are workarounds, but they require the user to do
> some homework.
>
> Canned stuff is something I've come to hate, seeing the package mess/hell
> Ubuntu has become.
>
>
>
> Il giorno dom 15 nov 2020 alle ore 18:25 Banibrata Dutta <
> banibrata.dutta@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> AFAIK Alpine doesn't support PyPy or PyPy3 JIT compiler for Python. Is
>> this true or did I somehow miss it's package in the repositories ?
>>
>> Also, came across this article:
>> https://pythonspeed.com/articles/alpine-docker-python/  which states --
>>
>> But if you=E2=80=99re using Python, Alpine Linux will quite often:
>>
>>    1. Make your builds much slower.
>>    2. Make your images bigger.
>>    3. Waste your time.
>>    4. On occassion, introduce obscure runtime bugs.
>>
>> Is there any plan or intent to change the above status-quo if true ?
>>
>> cheers,
>> B
>>
>>

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regards,
Banibrata
http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta
http://twitter.com/edgeliving

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>PyPy is opensource software, do not understand your p=
oint about precompiled binary blobs ? It is a JIT compiler, and Alpine alre=
ady ships OpenJDK with Java JIT compiler.</div><div>Python powers ~44% of w=
eb-software (with java at about 40%) and ranks pretty high on the popularit=
y chart (statistica) -- so something at #2 being fugly is a matter of perso=
nal opinion.</div><div>Alpine is a server-centric distribution, and has fai=
rly good support for Python (which is very nice). <br></div><div><br></div>=
<div>BTW, looks like someone has been doing this specifically for Docker im=
ages <a href=3D"https://github.com/JayH5/alpine-pypy">https://github.com/Ja=
yH5/alpine-pypy</a> <br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 11:48 =
PM Vittorio Mori &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vittorio.mori@gmail.com">vittorio.mo=
ri@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Any package relying on precompiled b=
inary blobs to be &quot;faster&quot; will eventually break portability, at =
some point.<br><br></div>This whole PyPy thing looks pretty fugly, like mos=
t Python-related stuff, imho.<br><br></div><div>I&#39;m pretty sure there a=
re workarounds, but they require the user to do some homework.<br><br></div=
><div>Canned stuff is something I&#39;ve come to hate, seeing the package m=
ess/hell Ubuntu has become.<br><br><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno dom 15 nov 2020 alle=
 ore 18:25 Banibrata Dutta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:banibrata.dutta@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">banibrata.dutta@gmail.com</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,<=
/div><div><br></div><div>AFAIK Alpine doesn&#39;t support PyPy or PyPy3 JIT=
 compiler for Python. Is this true or did I somehow miss it&#39;s package i=
n the repositories ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, came across this ar=
ticle:<a href=3D"https://pythonspeed.com/articles/alpine-docker-python/" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://pythonspeed.com/articles/alpine-docker-python/</a>=
=C2=A0 which states --<br></div><div>
<p>But if you=E2=80=99re using Python, Alpine Linux will quite often:</p>

<ol><li>Make your builds much slower.</li><li>Make your images bigger.</li>=
<li>Waste your time.</li><li>On occassion, introduce obscure runtime bugs.<=
/li></ol>

</div><div>Is there any plan or intent to change the above status-quo if tr=
ue ?</div><div><br></div><div>cheers,</div><div>B<br></div><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature">regards,<br>Banibrata<br><a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com=
/in/bdutta" target=3D"_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta</a><br><a h=
ref=3D"http://twitter.com/edgeliving" target=3D"_blank">http://twitter.com/=
edgeliving</a></div>

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