From nobody Thu Mar 28 15:41:01 2024 Received: from mail-lj1-f170.google.com (mail-lj1-f170.google.com [209.85.208.170]) by nld3-dev1.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5473E782B06 for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f170.google.com with SMTP id m18so18261265ljo.5 for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=iRhURGPxk+z2o6Uvr7TQKEQIP2j5MLcUgor2QQzm0oU=; b=LsDAP1C0oRtMkx7v4Uclf1+21ka2SLBadp6zKzYG080U4ozUCnBZjLxvzDAA2kFYEJ VzIeZeTJKrwvf0bnQnELbi8vPJuEcpBK1nKuujcxZdJS9ONeve5pAsZ/zB0WpTQO9QD8 LHh5dtIrVmMA7PMsOpleDh7sA4sxcJQ5dGoPQ4mas/pj6gpTtiKWFRxwX3tt+a1qzOLn 2YdsCfrSdrtlcEo02QiQOgnugGCsjWm/+uLRjUpDMTLmOyvEflL9PngVIW+5NCgWMEgQ dgbXNaoINTkFbeHAIZJsGJCrjp86BafRRw5oZwtyhX4IAGNeVb5DRu3D4BUW0VkJyz+q akNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=iRhURGPxk+z2o6Uvr7TQKEQIP2j5MLcUgor2QQzm0oU=; b=RR0Umg/KaE8HdOm+Zpy+EL3qT86HAPrthYMWNnrEB8w9yRlqqPnRmwjNG7J9HfiOD3 nL0EE8af5tMIB3IuRbjLeMJ+rRgVVXhB8/kW7KiobwqcAu5GmsztI+2Ye+l4Wcmp56GS Upsm+pkWhYr+gx0gVy1DYleLQyAam8b+nlA79je0nO5W9i6qnuJ3mCWbzauThHEoE8Ox F47ubKftj6gYY3eujp9n33VkA5YtHOEOBmpKtdS1CE20E14ITTaPRkKSklDv/xCiF1EH 33ZbI9i+e/Qm+QBlQH3bTYy9Uhj/hbqzZbKOPbdTHTme5ZtUfIv71IQqkO/yJEHePAMi +Xsg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532QAxo1H3WG10tkuW41uKrn23j5XXBca/C3Zf4CEtt41HDYGpd7 oUbmxHUXHl9f3HFVlQlXU14iVe74QxXzSzATQ1ZJjO92 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxS+b7r/WwvA5wDbtO4eANZLCJIISvkiBGJem1/tJeYM6BOukxPeYe3EHt17oINIb0SN56X+pPhlTi2RE06bis= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b5ca:: with SMTP id g10mr10428547ljn.370.1590337470151; Sun, 24 May 2020 09:24:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3047:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2020 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: PICCORO McKAY Lenz Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 12:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Behaviour status of alpine linux, also desktops questions To: alpine-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Noted some month ago the movement of the xfce4 desktop oficial package to a community driven way of.. Also new releases has obvious all main packages upgraded and perfectly coordinated! not the same for desktops flavours.. We are aware that systemd integration is one of the causes of the extra work.. it's not a secret ok! To all this my two questions: 1. Why not make TDE a main desktop in alpine (and work hand to hand with trinity desktop manpowers, vurrently the muslc suport are enought) 2. taking into account the overwhelming panorama and the recent facts of "mycrosoft infection" what is the official approach/target that alpine will take? (note that it is 99% used in containers and docker images, not as main OS in conputers or mainframes/servers) About the "2", lest take in consideration that in dockers we dont need some scripts or boot process sctips, also please dont answer me with "i used at my 2G ram bare metal as server", i'm talking about deploys, alpine also need money of course and current economic situation of the world will change in next days! BEFORE ANSWER AND RESPONSES OF ANY OF YOU, TAKE THIS IN CONSIDERATION: We are aware that systemd integration is one of the causes of the extra work, almost all desktops are too integrated to this... and therefore packing "just as it comes" is more of an odyssey than a job... this is very obvious... and I think it is also one of the reasons why it does not have a main focus on alpine te desktop packages from main team! (but of cour we have a community yet) Be aware that the economy will affect software projects that receive sponsorship, due to the events in this quarantine, or at least that sponsorship will be reduced in many projects. And finally keep in mind that much of the software is now at least a big part made by third party ones! and the muscl support is reduced, hence this desktop proposal as TDE is supporting muslc and the developer who is doing this needs help! I mean TAKE POINT that a official efforts between both project will gain literal Moral growth up of the both sides! -- Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO) http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com