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From: "Ariadne Conill" <ariadne@dereferenced.org>
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Subject: Re: TDE desktop added support for muslc.. able to build in alpine
To: "PICCORO McKAY Lenz" <mckaygerhard@gmail.com>, "alpine-user"
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Hello,=0A=0AJanuary 21, 2020 2:46 PM, "PICCORO McKAY Lenz" <mckaygerhard@=
gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A> err ariadne! seems do you send that only to me! =
.. but dont wory i reply to mail list anyway..=0A> =0A> El mar., 21 de en=
e. de 2020 a la(s) 15:26, Ariadne Conill (ariadne@dereferenced.org) escri=
bi=C3=B3:=0A> =0A>> Why not make a desktop spin yourself? It is pretty ea=
sy to do.=0A> =0A> alpine are already a live flavor.. maybe do you means =
make a alpine with default desktop..=0A=0AI mean: why don't you take Alpi=
ne and build a desktop distribution=0Aon top of it?=0A=0A>> XFCE was move=
d to community because of our desire to reduce the size of=0A>> the main =
distribution repository.=0A> =0A> it makes sense thanks for the info.. wh=
y that are not public in the news channel at the web page?=0A=0AMost peop=
le enable the community repository as it is.  In most cases,=0Athis is an=
 absolutely boring change.  Therefore there is nothing really=0Ato discus=
s about it.=0A=0A>> Many packages in main have been moved=0A>> over time =
to community. This is simply because we would like main to=0A>> reflect a=
 small core distribution.=0A> so seems alpine are not for end users.. bli=
nd persons cannot install..=0A> seems the about page must be updated so..=
 still said "general purpose"=0A=0AAlpine is for end users who are comfor=
table with basic system administration=0Atasks.  It is not an alternative=
 to Ubuntu, Fedora or any of those kinds=0Aof distributions.  The primary=
 benefits to using Alpine (lack of systemd,=0Amusl C library, hardened to=
olchain, advanced package management) are=0Areally only realized by users=
 who have some pre-existing knowledge.=0A=0AConsidering Alpine is install=
ed using text mode and screen readers work=0Abest in text mode, I suspect=
 that Alpine is actually quite easy for a=0Ablind person to install.=0A=
=0ABut as I have mentioned, a "user friendly" variant of Alpine may be go=
od=0Afor somebody to do, much in the way that Ubuntu is a "user friendly"=
 form=0Aof Debian.=0A=0A>> Alpine largely prefers to stick to the essenti=
als and let downstream=0A>> spins handle things like this.=0A> umm makes =
sense.. thaks for that info. so are nto suitable to desktops end users an=
d daily work?=0A=0AIt is suitable for those who want a proper workstation=
 environment,=0Aand have the capability to bring it up.  Alpine is not in=
tended to be=0Asomething like Ubuntu or openSUSE where everything is hand=
led for you.=0A=0AIf you want something with more handholding, Void or Ad=
elie may fill=0Athose niches, but they are only tangentially related to A=
lpine.=0A=0A> =0A>> In some cases, it is beneficial for Alpine to sync=0A=
>> up with what downstream consumers are doing, but that isn't a hard=0A>=
> requirement.=0A> but it's beneficial.. remenber that it's better to gro=
w a little rather than fall into lack of=0A> manpowers..=0A=0AIt is not n=
ecessarily beneficial.  Focusing on desktop is certainly=0Anot beneficial=
 to Alpine itself, as we would rather let downstream=0Aspins focus on tha=
t.=0A=0AAriadne