Received: from griffin.geeknet.cz (griffin.geeknet.cz [94.142.237.48]) by nld3-dev1.alpinelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11858782C8E for <~alpine/users@lists.alpinelinux.org>; Mon, 23 Aug 2021 15:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by griffin.geeknet.cz (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 19079dc3; Mon, 23 Aug 2021 17:49:28 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jirutka.cz; h=subject:to :cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type; s=mail; bh=A28nYhJJJn4mBQagFeXUS3Lh0Ks=; b=lZh3Mb FKtIl2Rk2Qq7QBPVEMvCvNwug7OdvCzMCQxcG0GnKMPZzByjXiCoITKu2FRBIEMU Ibm3uXMiRkpdvV66mmXce0Ud+Fn/dSUkYmr74mtcMKGxoJHbL2ftDivWzlPtSbtz ZrwA5osVTxpbCbfRhPXzSAzIBC6O/GYtp8aGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jirutka.cz; h=subject:to:cc :references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type; q=dns; s=mail; b=Rzn+f0DQeCWaggQSVxZb1M8ThKwZ9jWR UYqvLO5AmQIMugVBPRufLtl/tiSz1Dg6AI3gjTCR/VmZrw8vuMFQvPR6wl1MA0p0 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<~alpine/users@lists.alpinelinux.org> Message-ID: Subject: Re: your installer is not very intuitive for manual drive setup References: <20210822143829.xhclgqtwiehezvsn@mail.wolfsden.cz> In-Reply-To: --3pbiSwKKpmAskIB8C8yKg28Xg2SA2zh2g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > XMPP does everything Matrix does, 10x better than Matrix I=E2=80=99m sorry to tell you that, but XMPP is de-facto dead for many ye= ars already. I don=E2=80=99t like it either, but it=E2=80=99s a fact and = it doesn=E2=80=99t look like it=E2=80=99s going to change. IRC is still a= live, despite being an ancient crap with extremely limited feature set in= comparison with XMPP or any other modern protocols. Matrix seems to be t= he only truly open and federated protocol/network for (not just) instant = messaging that is quite used at least in tech communities. That=E2=80=99s= quite sad. If you don=E2=80=99t need federated protocol, then Signal. However, it=E2=80=99s still niche; majority of people communicate via pla= tforms primarily developed for selling ads and invading user privacy, suc= h as Messenger or WhatsApp. There=E2=80=99s also Telegram which is not ba= d, but it=E2=80=99s a closed network with proprietary server. Yeah, we live in crappy world that is moving back to proprietary m=CC=B6a= =CC=B6i=CC=B6n=CC=B6f=CC=B6r=CC=B6a=CC=B6m=CC=B6e=CC=B6s=CC=B6 clouds bec= ause it=E2=80=99s more profitable. Jakub On 8/23/21 4:33 AM, tcll5850@tutanota.com wrote: > well, to state things quickly... >=20 > XMPP does everything Matrix does, 10x better than Matrix > IRC only does roughly 10% of what Matrix does, and is much less secure = (encryption pretty much doesn't exist) >=20 > for example, both XMPP and Matrix offer federation, though Matrix relie= s heavily on matrix.org for some reason... > IRC doesn't federate afaik. >=20 > both XMPP and Matrix also offer text styling and up to embedded content= , unlike IRC afaik. >=20 >=20 > as for resolving issues or whatever with discussion > images can greatly help describe an issue to resolve it much quicker. ;= ) >=20 > --=20 > Sent with Tutanota, the secure & ad-free mailbox. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Aug 22, 2021, 10:38 AM by wolf@wolfsden.cz: >=20 > On 2021-08-19 23:33:27 +0200, tcll5850@tutanota.com wrote: >=20 > PS: how come you guys don't offer a better form of contact than= IRC or Twitter... > such as XMPP or at least Matrix?? >=20 >=20 > What is wrong with IRC? Not sure what XMPP buys you on top of it in= the > context for this usage... >=20 > W. >=20 > --=20 > There are only two hard things in Computer Science: > cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors. >=20 >=20 --3pbiSwKKpmAskIB8C8yKg28Xg2SA2zh2g-- --EE26jnv1qkUTMe0rJ67bJNC2W7kROwWkQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCQAdFiEEv7UV5T50WUImhovnefKZsENajiMFAmEjw94ACgkQefKZsENa jiOArQwApoXiBf13dt6YpIdlAeqtLTR34P6DybwSsVpJAGhzdd4tReuBiTMfdf4r /RKwehA7DHC8SLYkQ4K7Q0wYg0iwNSfkoSHHlvG54leMCMZovox8pV471WYAPet4 dGRYTt+8lxirMps7YiDKxCDqtaIZ4Rle8dHjzVrTELyv30Ikq891xhD0xvmQJUCq J20tZWY/WJaups2XHWCEyNoLDWrIkP6wJpdHlUGfeHGf+snjkFIKPYPhxehQTlzW egd5SXHtvJ9q49pLdgGT6OVblCz3s47DcDfYTO1ZQZtoPJZ5finc82mmYdjMUFuW dd9Dc1osf+YVz6pgkKt9H5JCY+EyAKu3x/OUe2UWXMkw/Ynhk7uuOkWmEp7G8NFn Koyf4EqUQ1VizsCi2LqgVv7rIiu7618OF86hKICGKFbc39I5+YuL+4qS+u/WkArM 7h8ECBSGolcQKUTSKLnnCXd6wkwBHVJDZPpPKuJzA/3bOMn6eZZzfn7NOrf47uP9 F15AV5++ =c95m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EE26jnv1qkUTMe0rJ67bJNC2W7kROwWkQ--