Hello,
I am helping a blind user, he wants to have his gmail emails presented
when he runs "alpine" seen from most recent and in the directory that
shows the new mail.
Google has changed this recently so his mail doesn't show, he can enter
"c" and change directory to GMAIL then All Mail - but can this be
configured for his ease in his pinerc file?
If anyone can direct me to a good usable gmail pinerc file on the
Internet that would be wonderful if it makes the answer easier.
Regards,
David Ring
N1EA
Hi,
On 2023-11-29 01:34:54 -0500, David J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> Hello,>> I am helping a blind user, he wants to have his gmail emails presented when> he runs "alpine" seen from most recent and in the directory that shows the> new mail.
This is mailing list for Alpine, the linux distribution, not Alpine, the email
client.
>> Google has changed this recently so his mail doesn't show, he can enter "c"> and change directory to GMAIL then All Mail - but can this be configured for> his ease in his pinerc file?>> If anyone can direct me to a good usable gmail pinerc file on the Internet> that would be wonderful if it makes the answer easier.>> Regards,>> David Ring>> N1EA>
Tomas
--
There are only two hard things in Computer Science:
cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors.
Does Alpine Linux have a console level interface installation with a
screen reader?
Thanks,
David
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 4:20 AM Tomas Volf <~@wolfsden.cz> wrote:
> Hi,>> On 2023-11-29 01:34:54 -0500, David J. Ring, Jr. wrote:> > Hello,> >> > I am helping a blind user, he wants to have his gmail emails presented> when> > he runs "alpine" seen from most recent and in the directory that shows> the> > new mail.>> This is mailing list for Alpine, the linux distribution, not Alpine, the> email> client.>> >> > Google has changed this recently so his mail doesn't show, he can enter> "c"> > and change directory to GMAIL then All Mail - but can this be configured> for> > his ease in his pinerc file?> >> > If anyone can direct me to a good usable gmail pinerc file on the> Internet> > that would be wonderful if it makes the answer easier.> >> > Regards,> >> > David Ring> >> > N1EA> >>> Tomas>> --> There are only two hard things in Computer Science:> cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors.>
On 23/11/29 08:06PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I have got an install on my PC, while you can use it for daily work, I> don't do so. The all-day commands provided by busybox are not 100%> identical to the commands you are used from major distros. A lot of> commands are linked against busybox [1].
I use Alpine on desktop. The "inadequacy" of Alpine for desktop is a widespread
myth, which needs to stop. Flatpak, DBus, and many graphical programs are
available on Alpine.
If one really can't live without the GNU versions of standard utilities, they
are available in the repos:
apk info coreutils
apk info sed
apk info awk
apk info bash
and so on, but Busybox is also quite usable when one restrains oneself to using
POSIX instead of GNU-isms. (It's not that hard!)
On Thu, 2023-11-30 at 00:03 +0100, Страхиња Радић wrote:
> On 23/11/29 08:06PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:> > I have got an install on my PC, while you can use it for daily work, I> > don't do so. The all-day commands provided by busybox are not 100%> > identical to the commands you are used from major distros. A lot of> > commands are linked against busybox [1]. > > I use Alpine on desktop. The "inadequacy" of Alpine for desktop is a widespread > myth, which needs to stop. Flatpak, DBus, and many graphical programs are > available on Alpine.
Hi,
actually I don't spread this "myth".
> If one really can't live without the GNU versions of standard utilities, they > are available in the repos:> > apk info coreutils> apk info sed> apk info awk> apk info bash> > and so on, but Busybox is also quite usable when one restrains oneself to using > POSIX instead of GNU-isms. (It's not that hard!)
Nobody said that it's hard. If somebody wants a real POSIX experience,
it's also not hard to install FreeBSD.
Keep in mind the OP probably confused Alpine the MUA with Alpine the
distro. At least the OP asked for a "console level interface
installation with a screen reader".
IMO it doesn't harm to mention that Alpine isn't comparable to e.g.
Ubuntu and that even if a more user-centric approach is wanted, a distro
such as Arch Linux, Gentoo etc. might be more suitable for many users. A
wide variety of needs, even niche needs, are better supported by other
distros.
Summarised
That "Alpine Linux is built around musl libc and busybox" is from
https://www.alpinelinux.org/about/ . While a real Linux standard base
never existed, you probably agree that at least a base Alpin install is
quite unusual for most Linux based desktop computers.
IMO it's worth mentioning, just in case ...
Regards,
Ralf
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 1:35 AM David J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@arrl.net> wrote:
>> I am helping a blind user, he wants to have his gmail emails presented> when he runs "alpine" seen from most recent and in the directory that> shows the new mail.>> Google has changed this recently so his mail doesn't show, he can enter> "c" and change directory to GMAIL then All Mail - but can this be> configured for his ease in his pinerc file?>> If anyone can direct me to a good usable gmail pinerc file on the> Internet that would be wonderful if it makes the answer easier.
Tomas and Ralf said you probably want the Alpine email mailing list.
If that is the case, then you can find the Alpine email mailing list
here: <https://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info>.
(I have not seen a similar post to the Alpine email list, so I want to
ensure you have a link to the list, if needed).
Jeff
On 23/11/30 12:47AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> IMO it doesn't harm to mention that Alpine isn't comparable to e.g.> Ubuntu and that even if a more user-centric approach is wanted, a distro> such as Arch Linux, Gentoo etc. might be more suitable for many users. A> wide variety of needs, even niche needs, are better supported by other> distros.
AFAIK Arch doesn't have a graphical install yet (Arch-based Artix, which I
helped maintain a part of, optionally has), so for a "casual user" it is not
that much different. All packages need to be installed from the command line,
by using pacman.
Can't comment on Gentoo since I never used it.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:56:23 -0500
"D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@arrl.net> wrote:
> Does Alpine Linux have a console level interface installation
yes
> with a screen reader?
no. But I think it may make sense to add support for it. The installer
is text based and I assume it would work fairly well with a screen
reader.
-nc
Yes, if it has a text based installer it would be a perfect candidate.
Thanks for the help.
David
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 8:00 AM Natanael Copa <ncopa@alpinelinux.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:56:23 -0500> "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@arrl.net> wrote:>> > Does Alpine Linux have a console level interface installation>> yes>> > with a screen reader?>> no. But I think it may make sense to add support for it. The installer> is text based and I assume it would work fairly well with a screen> reader.>> -nc>