Hi All!
I have Alpine Linux x86-32 on a Laptop with Pentium 4, I started an
alpine upgrde of several packages [the system was not used for months
and so for sure outdated] and I got error an error about "cpu stuck" in
an endless loop. At the end I had to force shutdown the system. At boot
the filesystem is totally corrupted and fsck cannot even start!
Fine, let's reinstall. Latest CD, start and then setup-alpine.
I configure everything, partition the disk, when installation starts I
see an endless amount of:
"watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s! [apk:2843]
and the system is stuck again, now with a half-backed install apparently...
Riccardo
is very ilogical that a working system is going to be upgraded ! That's no
more to say in those olders machines..
I suggest NOT USE LAST! just try first alpine 3.10 .. in my personal
xperience i used alpine 3.8 with some packages of alpine 3.10 (like
firefox) cos the kernel:
people must think: why must I upgrade if are perfectly working? *Do you
know guys that newer linux kernels cut off support for many older devices
and machines?*
El mar., 17 de nov. de 2020 a la(s) 07:25, Riccardo Mottola (
riccardo.mottola@libero.it) escribió:
> Hi All!>> I have Alpine Linux x86-32 on a Laptop with Pentium 4, I started an> alpine upgrde of several packages [the system was not used for months> and so for sure outdated] and I got error an error about "cpu stuck" in> an endless loop. At the end I had to force shutdown the system. At boot> the filesystem is totally corrupted and fsck cannot even start!>> Fine, let's reinstall. Latest CD, start and then setup-alpine.> I configure everything, partition the disk, when installation starts I> see an endless amount of:>> "watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s! [apk:2843]>> and the system is stuck again, now with a half-backed install apparently...>>> Riccardo>
Hello Riccardo,
would you mind sharing the exact CPU model with us?
I'm thinking about PAE/noPAE CPU features here.
- Paul
Am 17.11.20 um 12:24 schrieb Riccardo Mottola:
> Hi All!>> I have Alpine Linux x86-32 on a Laptop with Pentium 4, I started an > alpine upgrde of several packages [the system was not used for months > and so for sure outdated] and I got error an error about "cpu stuck" > in an endless loop. At the end I had to force shutdown the system. At > boot the filesystem is totally corrupted and fsck cannot even start!>> Fine, let's reinstall. Latest CD, start and then setup-alpine.> I configure everything, partition the disk, when installation starts I > see an endless amount of:>> "watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s! [apk:2843]>> and the system is stuck again, now with a half-backed install > apparently...>>> Riccardo
On 2020-11-17 08:04:17 -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> I suggest NOT USE LAST! just try first alpine 3.10 .. in my personal> xperience i used alpine 3.8 with some packages of alpine 3.10 (like> firefox) cos the kernel:
This is very poor advice, in general packages compiled for one version of
alpine do not have to work when executed in different version of alpine.
They might work, they might not work. But it's best not to rely on that.
As a side note, alpine 3.8 is EoL-ed for quite a while now.
> people must think: why must I upgrade if are perfectly working? *Do you> know guys that newer linux kernels cut off support for many older devices> and machines?*
Could you please provide some links to back this claim up? I'm not
aware, so would like to learn more.
W.
--
There are only two hard things in Computer Science:
cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 11:38 PM Wolf <wolf@wolfsden.cz> wrote:
> On 2020-11-17 08:04:17 -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:> > I suggest NOT USE LAST! just try first alpine 3.10 .. in my personal> > xperience i used alpine 3.8 with some packages of alpine 3.10 (like> > firefox) cos the kernel:>> This is very poor advice, in general packages compiled for one version of> alpine do not have to work when executed in different version of alpine.> They might work, they might not work. But it's best not to rely on that.>> As a side note, alpine 3.8 is EoL-ed for quite a while now.>> > people must think: why must I upgrade if are perfectly working? *Do you> > know guys that newer linux kernels cut off support for many older devices> > and machines?*>> Could you please provide some links to back this claim up? I'm not> aware, so would like to learn more.>
Interesting question. This had come up when I was looking for a driver for
a very old pre-UVC webcam I had, and due to Covid-19 triggered scarcity had
to make use of it.
Perhaps this one: https://lwn.net/Articles/769468/ that comes close enough,
I suppose, to be non-anecdotal and from an authority figure.
There are other anecdotal references to such trimming, but those are not
backed by specific statements from Linux kernel developer community AFAIK.
Hi,
Paul Zillmann wrote:
> would you mind sharing the exact CPU model with us?> I'm thinking about PAE/noPAE CPU features here.
The BIOS reports this as Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.4 GHz
When booting the Alpine linux CD, the CPU info reported is: Family 15,
model 2, stepping 7
256 KB cache
address size 36 / 32
By looking here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_4_processors#Pentium_4
It should be a Northwood
I am not awayre of Linux explcitely removing support for such a CPU and
I am running Linux on older machines, like real 586-class. Maybe some
specifich Alpine configuration?
Some posts on the net suggest issues with overclocking or similar,
however this is a Laptop, not overclocked and it did run FreeBSD fine
for year, I recently switched to Alpine. I did not notice the "issue"
because I installed on another system and transderred the Hard Disk.
Also, the issue is a "soft lockup" so in theory it should also relieve,
but it does not, indiccating that perhaps something is stuck?
Riccardo